#421266 - 12/10/06 11:47 AM
Re: codeine
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WSBGAM
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how much codeine sulfate would one consume to equal a 10/500 hydro. i always thought hydro and oxy were just more potent forms of codeine. who new 
Edited by WSBGAM (12/10/06 11:49 AM)
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#421268 - 12/10/06 12:01 PM
Re: codeine
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snarffles
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Sweet jesus man! Someone with full and proper knowledge could go on for days explaining answers your questions to the fullest extent.
As Neprho said, codeine is codeine in any of its salts (although I don't think they make a hydrochloride, never seen that) and is pretty much equally potent with a few minor differences not worth noting.
Oxycodone and hydrocodone are semi-synthetic opiates as they are not naturally occuring, but they do share a common base with codeine and morphine, just with different chemical extensions attached.
Thus, their potencies pretty much lie in there somewhere. Even though they're somewhat similar structurally, they do possess small differences in their bonds which make them more or less effective than each other, with different side-effects and properties (sedation, euphoria, analgesia potential, etc).
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#421273 - 12/10/06 11:16 PM
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contourblue
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hydrocodone is codeine methylbromide. Its just running through a synthetic chemical reaction to make it turbo charged if you will.
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#712574 - 06/10/08 08:13 PM
Re: codeine
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stits
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No benzo's give me a high feeling. Xanax just makes me feel stupid and mentally challenged.
Benzodiazepines are fundamentally different from opiates and cannot be 'compared'.
FYI, opiates are the only true mood elevators as in causing a high. No antidepressant, in this sense, is actually a mood "elevator."
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#712584 - 06/10/08 08:40 PM
Re: codeine
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stits
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Most opioid-naive people can feel mild euphoria from 60mg codeine. Sensitive people may feel 30mg; there have been people on here who said they can feel 16mg.
Yep and much of the public does not appreciate or is not aware of the prior exposure factor to tolerance-inducing drugs.
You'd be suprised--the opiate virgin is fully sensitive to very small doses. Similarly, the benzo virgin can experience a glorious relaxation bordering on (subjective) euphoria from just a 5 mg Valium.
But if abused, once addiction sets in (these are inherently addicting substances) and tolerance becomes an integral factor to relative efficacy ("strength") - then all bets are off.
An addict used to several times the aforementioned normative dose-levels of the aforementioned drugs can ingest a normal dose and not feel it at all.
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#741450 - 08/04/08 01:41 PM
Re: codeine
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bobzcodone
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Registered: 09/11/06
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Does anyone know of a good online pharmacy to order codeine from? I have had good service and product from Pharmaenergy/Pharmedics with their Azul, Klipal and Codicompren but super pricey. Any suggestions?
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#741498 - 08/04/08 03:09 PM
Re: codeine
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moocher
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Registered: 07/16/08
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I would rather codeine 120mg than hydro 20mg. If anyone knows a source Notify me!
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#742219 - 08/05/08 08:02 PM
Re: codeine
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bobzcodone
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I agree with you moocher. I used to buy codicompren and it was good. Now I result to cold water extraction (through and unbleached coffee filter.) Works great but just a hassle. I was just refered to biotran.com and rxvogue.com but if those are reputable sources i am wondering why they arnt reveiwed on here. Prices are great for pure codein 50mg tabs! I will probably try their sample gig.
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#744060 - 08/08/08 11:23 PM
Re: codeine
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Amishlogs
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if either site works, post a review!!
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#744734 - 08/10/08 12:45 PM
Re: codeine
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malk
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Registered: 07/10/08
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theres also codeine hemihydrate!!! i find there is a SLIGHT difference between the codeine sulfate(kapake) and c.hemihydate(solpadol),the kapake makes me feel a bit more sleepy,not so much of a hit(this is only slight remember!)
Then the codeine phosphate,that is probably my favourite,because of the hit,but after a while,my voice starts to go,because of the codeine,it makes the throat a bit"slack",so you cough more often,and get a croaky voice!!
All in all codeine is codeine,not much difference at all.if you need it,any of it will work!!! just noticed at my local pharmacy(chemist here in uk),theyve got phlocodeine,thats that,"purple juice" is it?
have never tried hydro or oxy,too expensive,so i cant compare to codeine(unless youve got freebies,ill glady guinea pig for ya!!)
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#746534 - 08/13/08 08:29 PM
Re: codeine
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OldandWorn
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There's a thread on Biotran. Most people report good results. August isnt a good time to try to get on the list since Biotran is under staffed.
The operator of Biotran was likened to the 'Soup Nazi' on Seinfeld. He likes things his way and if you get on his bad side, even a LL, no more soup for you.
I among others noticed that years ago. Wayne is an oddity, limited choices, strict Rules, cash only, but a long running business.
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#746632 - 08/13/08 11:55 PM
Re: codeine
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platinopega
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Re Biotran, I have had really good results (6 / 6) with them by sending cash-in-advance, and NOT going through the sample, email, phone call, etc., etc. routine.
From the beginning, I just mailed the cash (with his Order Form) and told them (writing on the Order Form) that I wanted to pay cash-in-advance. And it has worked for me. I have always paid cash-in-advance.
Uhhh, this is of course a different procedure than most follow re Biotran.
I took this approach because: "I wanted to be just the kind of customer he wanted". He trusts many by sending out samples first. I wanted to pay first, and so trusting him, sending my money first (cash in an envelope, LOL, how 20th Century!), but this worked for me.
For me, Biotran rocks! I sent them the dough first, and am 100% received OK.
Naturally, YMMV. Good luck!
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#750582 - 08/20/08 10:33 PM
Re: codeine
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bmuddywaters
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im sorry but I dont follow this specific thread and I have a kinda rookie question, Is codeine an effective enough drug to relieve menstral pain?
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#750654 - 08/21/08 05:24 AM
Re: codeine
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RubixCubeTO
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im sorry but I dont follow this specific thread and I have a kinda rookie question, Is codeine an effective enough drug to relieve menstral pain?
it all depends on how bad your pain is and how your body relates to codeine. For me, it would not have touched it. Way back when I was being treated for it I was given Talacen which did work. But now, because I'm on daily hydro 7.5's, I'm sure Talacen wouldn't work.
So, how bad is it? Does it double you over or is it mild?
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#782281 - 10/10/08 12:56 PM
Re: codeine
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jennygirl
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Registered: 01/30/07
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Loc: N.E. USA
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codeine is the ONLY opioid i have found so far that do not make me unbelievably sick.
all the other popular ones i've had, mostly hydrocodone, oxycodone, and fentnyl (sp?) make me sick as a dog and i just puke my brains out like some freshman boy who's been to his first frat party the entire time. even on very small doses, aka half a 5mg hydro. i mean, i will literally LIVE in the bathroom, puking/dry heaving every 2-5 min until the stuff wears off. (sorry for the gross image). no euphoria whatsoever, not even a hint of any of the pleasant feelings most people describe while on this stuff.
but when i was prescribed 30x Tylenol-3 for my wisdom teeth last year, i tried it and was amazed to realize that codeine does not produce ANY of these negative effects to me whatsoever?!? no nausea, no dizzyness, no spins at all. simply just a calm, relaxed, warm internal feeling (like a good hug that lasts and lasts) and a mild and slightly pleasant tingling sensation through my whole body, especially my arms and legs and fingers and toes. very nice experience, and, most importantly, no pain from my (now missing) wisdom teeth at all!
im not really a big fan of the opiates that much, and do not wish to use them unless i am in a LOT of pain, but does anyone know why this happens to me? am i just being a girl and that other stuff is too strong for me? i doub't it, and i hope i don't get in trouble for saying this, but after my mouth healed i had like 5 of those T3's left over, so i decided a have a couple glasses of wine and eat the rest of the bottle 30mg codeine each times 5 pills equals 150mg all at once. regretted it immediately after thinking i was about to be puking all night like i do on hydro, oxy, etc but what followed was one of the most pleasurable and comforting drug experiences i have ever had. almost makes me want to never take codeine again because as i found out that night i like it, a LOT, maybe too much!
but my question to you all's is: anyone know why i get violently ill on every opioid except codeine, which makes me feel just absolutely wonderful while taking away the pain at the same time? i mean, 150mg of codeine has got to be at least as strong if not much stronger than 2.5mg of hydro, yet the codeine makes me feel good and the hydro makes me feel like i want to die puking my guts out. are there any scientific explanations for this? or am i just weird?
many thanks
-Jen
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#782501 - 10/10/08 08:02 PM
Re: codeine
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jennygirl
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Registered: 01/30/07
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Loc: N.E. USA
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yeah i have a friend like that too who can't take synthetic opiates due to allergy. but i don't get the allergic reaction symptoms (my doc even told me this). it just makes me very very sick to my stomach and feel like absolute sh!t. once i even experienced auditory hallucinations for an hour or so on 5mg of oxy, all the while feeling like my hands and feet were being crushed in a vice. its like it exacerbates the pain in my body instead of relieving it. my doc insists its just a tolerance issue, since i'm pretty opiate naive. but its hard for me to believe that a 2.5mg hydro dose could cause 4 or 5 continuous hours on the porcelain, followed by a 24hr hangover, even in an opiate naive individual. especially when i can tolerate 150mg of codeine all at once, with alcohol, no prob whatsoever.
thank you for sharing the story of your friend with me, Anne. maybe i really am allergic but just have atypical symptoms of the allergic reaction.
EDIT: to anyone reading this, please do not EVER take that much codeine all at once unless told to do so by a doctor. that is a MASSIVE overdose and was a very poor decision on my part at the time. and just because i was lucky enough not to end up in the ER having my stomach pumped followed by a involuntary vacation to rehab, doesn't mean you will be.
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#783147 - 10/11/08 11:35 PM
Re: codeine
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platinopega
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Registered: 07/11/05
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OK, codeine is my favorite med re SINGLE CAUSES of problems (if I HAD TO only take 1 med to the desert island...), while overseas. Stops diarhreah, helps one sleep, relieves pain...
OK, many of you have problems with this med, but it works for me. Of course each of us vary. But, the one med that "cures the most" (of the relativey easy to get meds) of problems is codeine, at least for me.
If codeine works for you, AND IF your Doc. is truculent about prescribing it, then consider sites like biotran.co.uk.
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