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#614309 - 12/15/07 04:05 AM Does customs monitor your address after multiple seizures?
kontrol_freak kontrol_freak Journeyman Registered: 05/25/07 Posts: 76 Loc: AU	a pharmacy i have been ordering from says that the reason my order has been seized twice is because customs may be monitoring my address, and they will not reship again to the same address. i have received a total of 5 seizure notices over the past couple of years. 3 in the past couple of months. is it true that customs monitor your address after they have seized multiple items? i am in Australia btw.
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#614364 - 12/15/07 10:01 AM Re: Does customs monitor your address after multiple seizures? [Re: kontrol_freak]
TideDoc TideDoc Veteran Registered: 02/21/06 Posts: 553	I do not live in Australia and do not know what your laws are regarding importing narcotics. If your country has a law against the import of narcotics and you have not received your meds then I would suspect that your address has been flagged at your "postal service" especially if the shipper has determined that the are not willing to reship to the same address. I would be less worried about "customs" (and again I can only reference our customs department know nothing about yours) unless they have specific narcotic agents. And more worried about local or national law enforcement. You can try shipping to a new address: UPS has boxes that they will rent to you and allow you to use their stress address so you will not be shipping to a PO Box. I imagine they do that in your country as well. And even then you are taking a risk. Maybe another Aussie will be more help. Good luck! Ya'll don't have pain management physicians over there? I'd try that.
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#614799 - 12/16/07 12:47 PM Re: Does customs monitor your address after multiple seizures? [Re: kontrol_freak]
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#614956 - 12/16/07 09:49 PM Re: Does customs monitor your address after multiple seizures? [Re: kontrol_freak]
Miami_Geek Miami_Geek GRAND Pooh-Bah Registered: 03/15/05 Posts: 1935 Loc: Wit my Hoez repping with da re...	I can't speak to Australia's policies, but in the US, the answer is Yes. That's not to say that once you get a LL, that they go through every package of yours item by item. But it puts it in a 'further scrutiny' pool. They can't possibly check every single package so they rely heavily on sampling. Further, samples are created by probability weights. Let's say that they start seeing a bunch of SomeDrug coming in from Perth Australia. They would start recording identifiers and then take a larger portion of samples from Perth than say Sydney. There are tons of things that will trigger extra scrutiny so it's largely a probability game- the more indicators your package has the more likely it'll get extra scrutiny. While many call this big brother and intrusive, at some level, it would be irresponsible to ignore history of shipments. Given limited time, manhours and resources, the govt has a responsibilty to try it's best to catch illegal stuff. If they didn't use any sort of profiling in conjunction with sampling, they'd spend just as much time going over postcards as they did mid size boxes. There's a lot of unsavory stuff that could get through the nets. Moreover, in cases where 'bad' pills are found to have been shipped from places, they pretty much do a full court press and examine everything that looks like it could be related. although there's a lot of collateral damage in the whole process, it does serve to protect us in many cases. Whether that protection is worth the price we pay is an entirely different discussion.
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#614985 - 12/16/07 11:56 PM Re: Does customs monitor your address after multiple seizures? [Re: kontrol_freak]
JokerOwling JokerOwling Pooh-Bah Registered: 07/14/07 Posts: 1214 Loc: here at the moment	Originally Posted By: kontrol_freak a pharmacy i have been ordering from says that the reason my order has been seized twice is because customs may be monitoring my address, and they will not reship again to the same address. i have received a total of 5 seizure notices over the past couple of years. 3 in the past couple of months. is it true that customs monitor your address after they have seized multiple items? i am in Australia btw. I've wondered the same thing.The only thing I can say is I've had more LL's then you and I'm still receiving.I dont order any narcotics though.If you are ordering narcotics the risks are definitely higher. As long as I'm not arrested I dont care what they know about me. Are yours going through Sydney Customs? _________________________ "A magnesium deficiency may be responsible for more diseases than any other nutrient."-Dr.Norman Shealy,Neurosurgeon&Chronic Pain expert.
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#615403 - 12/17/07 07:14 PM Re: Does customs monitor your address after multiple seizures? [Re: ]
scruf scruf GRAND Pooh-Bah Registered: 03/21/05 Posts: 2565 Loc: pacific nw	do you mean 50 or 60 pills compared to 3 or 4 pills? I would think 60 pills wouldn't attract much attention, unless you are talking about schedule II's. I've recently read of several orders of 500 or more by the same person over a couple months time, so 60 would be a comparative drop in the bucket. on second thought though, I got an LL for just one small $28 bottle of coedine cough med. 2 LL's out of 4 orders was enough to scare me off iops for good.
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#615430 - 12/17/07 08:04 PM Re: Does customs monitor your address after multiple seizures? [Re: Miami_Geek]
Strawberry Strawberry GOLDEN EAGLE GRAND Pooh-Bah Registered: 01/29/06 Posts: 5344 Loc: Going Home........	Originally Posted By: Miami_Geek I can't speak to Australia's policies, but in the US, the answer is Yes Ok that quote is a bit af your responce. ( see full responce above) Now that seems like the most logical responce I've heard to the question thats being asked, and it's been asked many times in many ways. Now, is this a therory of yours? Or is there somewhere or someplace that explains the policies of customs and gives out this information. I have tried to research that question about customs and what they do when a package is taken, but this subject and answer seems to be closed to the general public. I've never seen the topic talked about on a goverment site, and as far as I know, theres never been a customs rep on the board that will respond to the question of seizures and LL's. _________________________ .
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#615441 - 12/17/07 08:35 PM Re: Does customs monitor your address after multiple seizures? [Re: Strawberry]
xj6guy xj6guy Board Addict Registered: 09/29/05 Posts: 354	from what i have seen it may be the name more then the address used...
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#616092 - 12/19/07 07:25 AM Re: Does customs monitor your address after multiple seizures? [Re: Miami_Geek]
cleo911 cleo911 Pooh-Bah Registered: 08/21/02 Posts: 1427 Loc: Odessa, Ukraine	Originally Posted By: Miami_Geek I can't speak to Australia's policies, but in the US, the answer is Yes. That's not to say that once you get a LL, that they go through every package of yours item by item. But it puts it in a 'further scrutiny' pool. That is a total crock. It doesn't matter how many LLs you get. There will be no intensified scrutiny, and there is no such database to perform this function. Complete BS. _________________________ The elves are the harbingers of our doom!
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#616464 - 12/20/07 12:40 AM Re: Does customs monitor your address after multiple seizures? [Re: ]
JokerOwling JokerOwling Pooh-Bah Registered: 07/14/07 Posts: 1214 Loc: here at the moment	Originally Posted By: LauraBell Joker * You say you have received more than 5 LL's and you are still receiving orders. Aren't you worried that perhaps you are being monitired somehow? I know I am being monitored.In Australia(and I would guess most countries)all LL's are recorded and(in Aus.)can be used against you up to five years later. The way I see it is,I have a legit(diagnosed)problem,and I only order small amounts of what I need.I have known a number of people in the telecommunications industry who have assured me that ALL electronic data is recorded.That includes phone calls,emails,mobile text messaging etc.Whether or not you get 'red flagged' depends on your activities. _________________________ "A magnesium deficiency may be responsible for more diseases than any other nutrient."-Dr.Norman Shealy,Neurosurgeon&Chronic Pain expert.
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#616466 - 12/20/07 01:05 AM Re: Does customs monitor your address after multiple seizure [Re: JokerOwling]
edgar81 edgar81 Banned. soliciting. Asking people to PM for secret source. Info must be posted for all to see and comment. Stranger Registered: 12/14/07 Posts: 15	what about US customs does they records your packages?
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#617397 - 12/21/07 08:43 PM Re: Does customs monitor your address after multiple seizure [Re: edgar81]
JokerOwling JokerOwling Pooh-Bah Registered: 07/14/07 Posts: 1214 Loc: here at the moment	yes _________________________ "A magnesium deficiency may be responsible for more diseases than any other nutrient."-Dr.Norman Shealy,Neurosurgeon&Chronic Pain expert.
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#617427 - 12/21/07 11:36 PM Re: Does customs monitor your address after multiple seizures? [Re: cleo911]
kserah kserah GRAND Pooh-Bah Registered: 10/05/04 Posts: 5075 Loc: In the moment	Originally Posted By: cleo911 Originally Posted By: Miami_Geek I can't speak to Australia's policies, but in the US, the answer is Yes. That's not to say that once you get a LL, that they go through every package of yours item by item. But it puts it in a 'further scrutiny' pool. That is a total crock. It doesn't matter how many LLs you get. There will be no intensified scrutiny, and there is no such database to perform this function. Complete BS. I don't know where you get your information, but it certainly isn't from anyone who works for the DEA or the government. There is a database for everything. If you get a LL, how do you think it's printed out? By hand? There may not be intensified scrutiny, but after a certain number of seizures there is definitely a 'red flag' tag. If you were being investigated or having an intensive background check (especially for a sensitive government related position), there is a big chance they will show up. Privacy, as we once knew it is gone. _________________________ If at first you don't succeed, then skydiving definitely is not for you.
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#617432 - 12/22/07 12:13 AM Re: Does customs monitor your address after multiple seizures? [Re: kserah]
cleo911 cleo911 Pooh-Bah Registered: 08/21/02 Posts: 1427 Loc: Odessa, Ukraine	Originally Posted By: kserah Originally Posted By: cleo911 Originally Posted By: Miami_Geek I can't speak to Australia's policies, but in the US, the answer is Yes. That's not to say that once you get a LL, that they go through every package of yours item by item. But it puts it in a 'further scrutiny' pool. That is a total crock. It doesn't matter how many LLs you get. There will be no intensified scrutiny, and there is no such database to perform this function. Complete BS. I don't know where you get your information, but it certainly isn't from anyone who works for the DEA or the government. There is a database for everything. If you get a LL, how do you think it's printed out? By hand? There may not be intensified scrutiny, but after a certain number of seizures there is definitely a 'red flag' tag. If you were being investigated or having an intensive background check (especially for a sensitive government related position), there is a big chance they will show up. Privacy, as we once knew it is gone. Not a single shred of truth to any part of this. And as a matter of fact, my information does indeed come from a very well-informed governmental source. _________________________ The elves are the harbingers of our doom!
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#617433 - 12/22/07 12:13 AM Re: Does customs monitor your address after multiple seizure [Re: edgar81]
cleo911 cleo911 Pooh-Bah Registered: 08/21/02 Posts: 1427 Loc: Odessa, Ukraine	Originally Posted By: edgar81 what about US customs does they records your packages? Absolutely not. _________________________ The elves are the harbingers of our doom!
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#617491 - 12/22/07 07:12 AM Re: Does customs monitor your address after multiple seizures? [Re: xj6guy]
stressedout stressedout Pooh-Bah Registered: 02/01/07 Posts: 1036 Loc: Lost	Originally Posted By: xj6guy from what i have seen it may be the name more then the address used... Then I pity all the John Smith and Mary Jone out there. LOL how common are those names. Hurry change your name it's on a list $;\)$
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#617956 - 12/23/07 10:52 AM Re: Does customs monitor your address after multiple seizures? [Re: ]
gr8fulcpa gr8fulcpa Veteran Registered: 02/12/07 Posts: 654 Loc: Gamehendge	does that mean 4 or 5 years from now you will believe anything I say? _________________________ You've lost it...You'll never get out of this MAZE!
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#618399 - 12/24/07 02:41 PM Re: Does customs monitor your address after multiple seizures? [Re: ]
mozartkc mozartkc Enthusiast Registered: 10/24/05 Posts: 258 Loc: HI	Merry Christmas! you guys are cracking me up:) After I received my first and only LL so far(knock on wood) I simply started using different names for my orders. I consider myself pretty lucky so far. I also only order benzos. I think I am too chicken to order anything else. Good luck everyone!:)
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#618419 - 12/24/07 03:21 PM Re: Does customs monitor your address after multiple seizure [Re: mozartkc]
nephro nephro GRAND Pooh-Bah Registered: 09/04/06 Posts: 8817 Loc: UK, despite the rumours	I don't know what the US does, but if they go to the trouble of printing you a seizure notice, with your name and address on, your information is in the computer anyway. Do they deliberately flush it all out, allow it to remain in memory until it flushed out naturally (FILO system), or do they save it? If they do not save it, perhaps a more interesting question would be, "Why not?" This will never be solved until someone posts written evidence from the US customs saying that they delete all seizure notice details.
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#618431 - 12/24/07 04:13 PM Re: Does customs monitor your address after multiple seizure [Re: nephro]
gr8fulcpa gr8fulcpa Veteran Registered: 02/12/07 Posts: 654 Loc: Gamehendge	if I had to guess I would say it is saved but no one is looking at the data. Not enough "man"power. By the way Laura I hope you know I was just being a smart a$$. _________________________ You've lost it...You'll never get out of this MAZE!
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#618432 - 12/24/07 04:15 PM Re: Does customs monitor your address after multiple seizure [Re: gr8fulcpa]
gr8fulcpa gr8fulcpa Veteran Registered: 02/12/07 Posts: 654 Loc: Gamehendge	Nephro there is FIFO and LIFO but no FILO _________________________ You've lost it...You'll never get out of this MAZE!
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#618442 - 12/24/07 04:40 PM Re: Does customs monitor your address after multiple seizure [Re: gr8fulcpa]
nephro nephro GRAND Pooh-Bah Registered: 09/04/06 Posts: 8817 Loc: UK, despite the rumours	You're right; I meant FIFO, although FILO does exist: Quote: The term FILO ("first in, last out") can be used synonymously, as the term emphasizes that early additions list need to wait until they rise to the LIFO structure "top" to be accessed. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LIFO Several people entering and leaving a narrow corridor with only one door would be an example, though it may occur rarely in computing. I am probably thinking of my own experiences when I go to the council offices to try and sort out my benefits..... Edited by nephro (12/24/07 04:51 PM)
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#618453 - 12/24/07 06:15 PM Re: Does customs monitor your address after multiple seizures? [Re: cleo911]
kserah kserah GRAND Pooh-Bah Registered: 10/05/04 Posts: 5075 Loc: In the moment	I don't know where you get your information, but it certainly isn't from anyone who works for the DEA or the government. There is a database for everything. If you get a LL, how do you think it's printed out? By hand? There may not be intensified scrutiny, but after a certain number of seizures there is definitely a 'red flag' tag. If you were being investigated or having an intensive background check (especially for a sensitive government related position), there is a big chance they will show up. Privacy, as we once knew it is gone. [/quote] Not a single shred of truth to any part of this. And as a matter of fact, my information does indeed come from a very well-informed governmental source. [/quote] So was mine. She's a relative and head of a customs port. Once your name is in the computer, it stays there. They will not prosecute as it would take a phenomenal amount of manpower and it wouldn't be worth it. However, if the same address and name show up time after time, you better believe further investigation will follow. Would you like a certified letter with government letterhead, cleo?
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#618475 - 12/24/07 07:43 PM Re: Does customs monitor your address after multiple seizures? [Re: cleo911]
1219wendy 1219wendy GRAND Pooh-Bah Registered: 06/28/07 Posts: 2194 Loc: IN GOD'S HEART!	kserah- I totally agree with you... If you are receiving a letter from ll the darn straight you are in a database. Also, no need for name calling. No one is perfect and sometimes people are "totally wrong". To think certain people or addresses are not being monitored is absolutely incorrect. Have a wonderful holiday kserah darling. _________________________ Don't Work Hard.... Work Smart!
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#618494 - 12/24/07 08:53 PM Re: Does customs monitor your address after multiple seizure [Re: nephro]
patient2all patient2all GRAND Pooh-Bah Registered: 05/16/02 Posts: 3473 Loc: usa	Quote: I am probably thinking of my own experiences when I go to the council offices to try and sort out my benefits..... Indeed, LIFO is often used by the government here also when processing INS applications and has been adapted by some of our ROPs for order processing, it would appear $;\)$ patient2all _________________________ NEW threat, CP Patients We feel like outlaws, NEW laws MAKE us outlaws!
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#618501 - 12/24/07 09:05 PM Re: Does customs monitor your address after multiple seizure [Re: patient2all]
gr8fulcpa gr8fulcpa Veteran Registered: 02/12/07 Posts: 654 Loc: Gamehendge	LIFO FIFO takes me back to college and my accounting classes. Of course now I don't have but maybe two clients that carry inventory anyway so i guess that was a few weeks of my life I'll never get back. _________________________ You've lost it...You'll never get out of this MAZE!
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#618555 - 12/25/07 03:24 AM Re: Does customs monitor your address after multiple seizure [Re: gr8fulcpa]
nephro nephro GRAND Pooh-Bah Registered: 09/04/06 Posts: 8817 Loc: UK, despite the rumours	I think theoretically you can have LILO, FIFO, LIFO and FILO, and it would be just like a computing science lecturer to put them all in the same sentence (excluding this example).
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#618571 - 12/25/07 06:03 AM Re: Does customs monitor your address after multiple seizures? [Re: kserah]
JokerOwling JokerOwling Pooh-Bah Registered: 07/14/07 Posts: 1214 Loc: here at the moment	Originally Posted By: kserah Once your name is in the computer, it stays there. They will not prosecute as it would take a phenomenal amount of manpower and it wouldn't be worth it. However, if the same address and name show up time after time, you better believe further investigation will follow. Exactly right kserah.This is a fact not an opinion. _________________________ "A magnesium deficiency may be responsible for more diseases than any other nutrient."-Dr.Norman Shealy,Neurosurgeon&Chronic Pain expert.
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#618575 - 12/25/07 07:03 AM Re: Does customs monitor your address after multiple seizures? [Re: JokerOwling]
cleo911 cleo911 Pooh-Bah Registered: 08/21/02 Posts: 1427 Loc: Odessa, Ukraine	Originally Posted By: JokerOwling Originally Posted By: kserah Once your name is in the computer, it stays there. They will not prosecute as it would take a phenomenal amount of manpower and it wouldn't be worth it. However, if the same address and name show up time after time, you better believe further investigation will follow. Exactly right kserah.This is a fact not an opinion. Absolutely unfactual. xxx Edited by Administrator (12/26/07 04:39 AM) Edit Reason: no insults please... insulted edited out... _________________________ The elves are the harbingers of our doom!
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#618577 - 12/25/07 07:20 AM Re: Does customs monitor your address after multiple seizure [Re: cleo911]
nephro nephro GRAND Pooh-Bah Registered: 09/04/06 Posts: 8817 Loc: UK, despite the rumours	Does this mean that you could get a seizure letter for controlled substances every day of the year for years on end, all under the same name and address, and nothing would ever get done? You may be right, I don't know. Like I said before, an official document posted is the only way to confirm it one way or the other. I was told by UK HM Revenue and Customs that it would be the mail company that would 'watch' your address. But they were very unwilling to give me info without me giving them my details!
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