#649521 - 02/14/08 04:13 AM
Ultram Vs. Vicodin
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BradJenkins
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I have been suffering from chronic pain after a serious motorcycle accident and have been on Vicodins for just under a year. I asked the doctor for something non-narcotic and he prescribed me Ultram. The Ultram has a more dramatic effect on me than the Vicodin and I thought this was curious because it was not a narcotic. Has anyone had a similliar experience and any insight as to why would be greatly appreciated.
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#649593 - 02/14/08 07:31 AM
Re: Ultram Vs. Vicodin
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kskex5
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I have been suffering from chronic pain after a serious motorcycle accident and have been on Vicodins for just under a year. I asked the doctor for something non-narcotic and he prescribed me Ultram. The Ultram has a more dramatic effect on me than the Vicodin and I thought this was curious because it was not a narcotic. Has anyone had a similliar experience and any insight as to why would be greatly appreciated.
Do you mean better pain killing effects or do you feel euphoria? I find Ultram to have anti depressant qualities
but not as much help with pain. It doesn't make me drowsy, kind of a speedy effect. It is good to take on days when the pain isn't as bad. It is a synthetic opiate and attaches to the opiate receptors in the brain. You can be dependent on it and have w/d. Don't take more then recommended because it lowers the seizure threshold and can cause problems.
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#649649 - 02/14/08 08:26 AM
Re: Ultram Vs. Vicodin
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BradJenkins
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By saying the Ultrams had a more dramatic effect I was refering to the fact that I felt completely doped up on them. The pain relieve was as effective as the Vicodins but the feeling of being high was much more prefalent. I felt like I took LSD and drank a bottle of nightquill. I would not consider this euphoria but more or less just a messed up state inwhich I could not funtion up-to my normal standards. I felt a lack of cordination along with dizziness. I think that maybe I will return to the Vicodins for my pain relief or maybe try Norco again.
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#649654 - 02/14/08 08:30 AM
Re: Ultram Vs. Vicodin
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EDinNC
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That dazed feeling will most likely wear off after 3 or 4 days, it did with me along with the pain relief.JMO
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#649662 - 02/14/08 08:35 AM
Re: Ultram Vs. Vicodin
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Presto77
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There's a long thread on Tramadol (Click here for TramadolX180tabs for only 99.95 dollars) (generic Ultram) that has a lot of experiences. Basically, Tramadol (Click here for TramadolX180tabs for only 99.95 dollars) has similar properties to antidepressants like Prozac, or Effexor, but with a much shorter (almost immediate) onset. It's also a weak opiate agonist. My experience is that is works almost as well as opiates, but without the drowsiness/lethargy associated with opiates.
How much are you taking? You shouldn't start off taking more than 50mg. If you're taking more I can understand why it makes you queasy, but not "trippy". Sounds like it just doesn't agree with you, so don't take it.
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#649683 - 02/14/08 08:51 AM
Re: Ultram Vs. Vicodin
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BradJenkins
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I actually read through the thread on Tramadol (Click here for TramadolX180tabs for only 99.95 dollars) and there was allot of both useful and scary info. I took 2 pills as recomended on the bottle which wasn't a whole lot, just enough to relieve the pain in my leg. The Tramadol (Click here for TramadolX180tabs for only 99.95 dollars) I got from my local pharmacy is oval with a 93 on one side and 58 on the other (none of which were mentioned in the thread). At any rate its just funny that I am going to have to tell my doc that I need the narcotics to keep from feeling so doped up. If there was no druged out effects to accompany the pain relieve the ultram would be perfect because I am able to do full squats on them with little to no pain wich is impossible without meds. My condition is from an open compound fracture of the tib/fib with muscle/tendon/and nerve damage.
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#649909 - 02/14/08 01:35 PM
Re: Ultram Vs. Vicodin
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metro0780
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Be very careful, though people will tell you its not a narcotic, however it is very very addictive. My dad got hooked on it accidentally and went to about 10 doctors because of his symptoms. Nobody ever thought that it was WD's he was having cause he only would take it on Fridays and Saturdays, 4 a day. The whole next week till Wednesday his body temp would drop, he would shake etc... It is a bad drug, and though you dont even abuse it, it becomes very physicaly addicting. I read on here the other day where a guy is taking 13 a day just to feel normal.
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#649961 - 02/14/08 02:46 PM
Re: Ultram Vs. Vicodin
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xj6guy
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the only pain reliever that works for me other then vicodin is oxe forte
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#650005 - 02/14/08 03:20 PM
Re: Ultram Vs. Vicodin
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PrivateRealm
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the only pain reliever that works for me other then vicodin is oxe forte
Oxe Forte (Voltaren Forte) works very well for me. Since I can no longer get hydrocodone in my state, i have switched to that and between Tramadol (Click here for TramadolX180tabs for only 99.95 dollars) during the day and voltaren forte at night, no problems.
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#650138 - 02/14/08 05:40 PM
Re: Ultram Vs. Vicodin
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watcher12
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How does Ultracet work when you are out of hydro. I am embarking on a few days of no hydro, but do have ultracet. How will this handle my pain. I have been taking roughly 4 10/500 per day many years.
The dosage for the ultracet...is that every 4 hours, or just 2times a day.
Thanks
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#650824 - 02/15/08 05:32 PM
Re: Ultram Vs. Vicodin
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genethebean1
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Tramadol increases your seizure threshold, especially if you're taking an antidepressant. Use with caution. It actually decreases (lowers) your seizure threshold.
Hmm, I've always read that it increases the risk of seizures.
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#650827 - 02/15/08 05:32 PM
Re: Ultram Vs. Vicodin
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faeriewitch
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Tramadol increases your seizure threshold, especially if you're taking an antidepressant. Use with caution. It actually decreases (lowers) your seizure threshold.
My guess is that Dittani meant it increases your chances for seizure. And boy does it - I know from experience.
I've done some research on this and found that the best bet is to take it with some kind of CNS depressant that will lower the risk of seizure. In hospitals sometimes they give benzos to people who have had seizures.
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#650862 - 02/15/08 06:17 PM
Re: Ultram Vs. Vicodin
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PrivateRealm
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Tramadol increases your seizure threshold, especially if you're taking an antidepressant. Use with caution. It actually decreases (lowers) your seizure threshold. Hmm, I've always read that it increases the risk of seizures.
Yes, it does increase the rick of seizures which in turn, as Nephro stated, would mean that it LOWERS you threshold for seizures.
EX: a lowered threshold for pain means that you feel pain more easily. A lowered threshold for seizures would therefore mean that you have seizures more easily....
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#651147 - 02/16/08 08:37 AM
Re: Ultram Vs. Vicodin
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Dittani
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Tramadol increases your seizure threshold, especially if you're taking an antidepressant. Use with caution. It actually decreases (lowers) your seizure threshold. My guess is that Dittani meant it increases your chances for seizure. And boy does it - I know from experience.
That is what I meant - thanks for clarifying! 
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#658803 - 02/28/08 11:11 AM
Re: Ultram Vs. Vicodin
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tvo14
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Just don't take it too late. I took some last night and couldn't sleep till 4am. It takes about 150mg-200mg to feel like one 10/500 Hydro.
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#804219 - 11/17/08 08:34 AM
Re: Ultram Vs. Vicodin
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gizmo
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Contrary to what many have said Ultram is NOT a narcotic medication. It is an analgesic that works like a narcotic without the same properties of narcotic medications receptors etc. It's NOT controlled for a reason it does NOT have the same properties as narcotic medications but prescribed for many of the same conditions. That being said, it does not mean that many people will not have withdrawal problems when they stop taking all at once. Many people that have been drinking coffee or soft drinks everyday for years and just abruptly stop find that they experience horrible headaches and other symptoms.
If Ultra works for you to control the pain then I would consider it a blessing, I have tried it several times and for me personally it has little if no effect on my spine pain. I would love for this to work instead of the hydrocodone, we (my physician and I) tried several other meds such as: Celebrex, Lodine, Relefen, Vioxx, Naproxen, Tramadol (Click here for TramadolX180tabs for only 99.95 dollars), etc. before coming to the conclusion that Lortab ES was the most effective in my situation with Soma/carisoprodol in pm as needed for the nights when a really bad day has occurred.
After many years of trial and error I have found that taking on a regular basis 10/325 every 4-6 hours works best and not waiting till the pain gets bad because it never seems to work for me anyway playing catch-up. That being said the maximum I take never exceeds 4/day, I have been down that road where if one did not work take 2 or more till it stops just never works, when your body is having a bad day there is probably nothing you are going to do to get 100% relief, when you have chronic pain and getting your dosage up that much does little more than just up build your tolerance. Ultram seems to be a great drug for many but I would sure visit with my doctor before I started mixing Rx or increasing dosages, just do your research there is plenty of information out there besides personal message boards, they should be used to supplement and see if other people have had the similar problems not to get all of your medical information.
Good luck but do plenty of research!
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#804229 - 11/17/08 08:52 AM
Re: Ultram Vs. Vicodin
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Milvus
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Having been prescribed Tramadol (Click here for TramadolX180tabs for only 99.95 dollars) on and off for the last twelve years, I've talked with several specialists about it and researched it myself, and the fact is that it works partly as a mu-receptor agonist. Therefore, it can be classed as an opioid (or, at least, a 'partial' opioid). It is not a typical opioid, as its effects also derive from the way it works on the noradrenergic and serotonergic systems. This has been explained many times here, by Nephro and others.
Edited by Milvus (11/17/08 08:54 AM)
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