#664583 - 03/08/08 07:00 PM
Re: Grow your OWN poppies??? Isn't that just gardening?
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More than gardening... it is illegal gardening... that is the problem...
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#664615 - 03/08/08 07:56 PM
Re: Grow your OWN poppies??? Isn't that just gardening?
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Cooly
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Actually, just growing them is not illegal (maybe it differs per state) but if you're caught slicing them, using them in a tea, or any other "medicinal/recreational" manner it is very illegal.
..and if you have more than a few in a garden (say like your whole backyard or field), no one gonna believe you that their were ornamental.
Your biggest problem probably is going to be "that enemy" you made in the neighborhood that will call you in.
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#664620 - 03/08/08 08:11 PM
Re: Grow your OWN poppies??? Isn't that just gardening?
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My guess is that not all poppies are created equal. The ones that are illegal for sure are called papaver somniferum...
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#664701 - 03/09/08 01:46 AM
Re: Grow your OWN poppies??? Isn't that just gardening?
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And from the poppy comes forth opium -> morphine -> heroin.
A person I once knew said he had an argument with a dr for nearly the whole consult.The dr was arguing that morphine was made from heroin(instead of the other way around).
Doesn't really surprise me.One dr I seen,asked me what dihydrocodeine was when I mentioned it.Same dr said he had never heard of dextromethorphan either.He asked ME what it was used for.My regular pharmacist said it didn't surprise her either.
I could start a whole thread about ignorant dr's.
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#664740 - 03/09/08 06:48 AM
Re: Grow your OWN poppies??? Isn't that just gardening?
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Just google Jim Hogshire for a story on how "messy" the Law is on using poppies.
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#664751 - 03/09/08 07:43 AM
Re: Grow your OWN poppies??? Isn't that just gardening?
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Seriously, there are umpteen million people around here with poppies in their gardens. They are great medicinal teas for coughs, poultices for pain, even made into syrups for pain. What's the probelm? Are we not allowed to grow our own tobacco for personal use, even our own veggies for that matter? Many of those common kitchen items can be misused in hallicinogenic ways, so leave the poor poppy alone - it's such a beautiful and nourishing creature. LOL, and you forgot to mention you probably agree that it's okay to grow your own pot too huh? LOL
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#664755 - 03/09/08 07:50 AM
Re: Grow your OWN poppies??? Isn't that just gardening?
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bdit
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This brings to mind the scene on the Wizard of Oz where Dorothy and the Lion fell asleep in the poppy field. Even back in the 30's people had some clue about its effects. I remember when I was a child on the farm my mom had some orange poppies in the flower bed. When she told me what they were called I was scared of them after watching the wiz!
Has anyone here heard of jimson weed? It grows wild on our farm. My father showed it to me a few years ago and told me about how people would use it. I tore down every plant I saw since we had all types of people working on the farm from time to time. It goes by other names which you can see here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datura_stramonium. Doesn't look like anything I want to mess with.
Scruf makes an interesting point. God put these plant on earth for a reason. We grew tobacco for years, and I asked my dad one time if you could smoke the plants we grew. He said it would be very dangerous to do so before the tobacco is processed. There were also many poisonous plants on the farm, but I guess they have to exist for some reason.
Where are our plant experts? Surely somebody here majored in horticulture or something to do with plants.
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#664843 - 03/09/08 11:33 AM
Re: Grow your OWN poppies??? Isn't that just gardening?
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tigersmom
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About 20 years ago some Southeast Asians were arrested in So Cal for growing poppies to make opium. It just seems to me that the law regarding the cultivating of opium poppies is all over the map; I guess that "intent" comes into it; making Heroin, for example, isn't "rocket science" I'm sure that any person with a basic knowlege of chemistry could do it...I could see some overzealous LE charging someone with intent to manufacture Heroin if caught with large quantities of opium poppies.
At any rate, I've found that poppy tea has very mild analgesic properties, but is still VERY addictive, and isn't worth the trouble, IMO.
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#665238 - 03/10/08 06:12 AM
Re: Grow your OWN poppies??? Isn't that just gardening?
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Cooly
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You can very legally by Papaver somniferum seeds legally here in the US and grow them. You just can't "use" them. You can get them from a number of seed houses (big and small), one of the better known ones is on the link below:
http://www.swallowtailgardenseeds.com/annuals/poppy_breadseed.html
I've never tried poppy tea or growing my own. Reports vary on the web as being "highly effective/addictive" to "you feel more from aspirin".
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#665260 - 03/10/08 07:30 AM
Re: Grow your OWN poppies??? Isn't that just gardening?
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tigersmom
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Opium poppies are easy to grow and they are also very beautiful. I believe that the seed can be used in baking as well. But yes, the "effects" are subtle if you just drink the tea. Further, remember that you are drinking all the alkaloids in the poppy head and not just the opoids.
I just remembered that there was a book published some years ago about poppy "addiction" by a Man named Eric Dietz, I hope I spelled his name right, anyway the book is called "Poppies" I think (I read Jim Hogshire's copy in the early '90's, it is probably out of print, but it may be available on the internet somewhere.) At any rate, Dietz had to eventually go on methadone as I recall, so caveat emptor if you are thinking about trying the tea.
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#665908 - 03/11/08 05:27 AM
Re: Grow your OWN poppies??? Isn't that just gardening?
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faeriewitch
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Has anyone here heard of jimson weed? It grows wild on our farm. My father showed it to me a few years ago and told me about how people would use it. I tore down every plant I saw since we had all types of people working on the farm from time to time. It goes by other names which you can see here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datura_stramonium. Doesn't look like anything I want to mess with.
Datura stramonium is NOT something you want to mess with casually, although the flower is breathtakingly beautiful I've heard it does not smell pleasant.
There are many plants that still are the main source of some very strong and much-used pharmaceuticals - Papaever somniferum of course for morphine and codeine, Foxglove for digitalis, Belladonna for atropine, and there are more that I can't think of off the top of my head. These plants are all medicinal in minute quantities but they WILL kill you if you don't know what you're doing.
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#665953 - 03/11/08 07:13 AM
Re: Grow your OWN poppies??? Isn't that just gardening?
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tigersmom, I have read some chronicles about the Hogshire incident - he was actually buying dried Somniferum poppy heads from a floral-supply place and making tea with them for personal use. The irony is that his landlady, who evicted him after the arrest, had Papaever somniferum growing in her very own gardens right outside the apartment doors and LE didn't care one bit.
The person who wrote the article that I read had spoken to LE about the issue and they said "intent" was the key. You can have them in your garden to grow for beauty and for seeds, but if you "scratch" them you can get in trouble. However, it's not like they have "Poppy Police" scouring suburban backyards... the reason Hogshire was arrested was someone had a grudge against him and turned him in. He did have some questionable equipment and chemicals in his apartment but he was not growing the poppies himself. The case ended up being thrown out I believe, or at least the poppy possession charge was. I think they tried to get him on something else since they couldn't charge him for possessing poppies.
Poor Jim, although I haven't spoken to him in 15 years, I still consider him one of the most interesting people that I have ever had the privilege to call friend. Seattle PD did a real number on him...and yes, it was a disgruntled guest that called the cops on him (I was no longer living in Seattle at that time, so I only know the story second hand myself.)
Pity that Jim doesn't post here, he knows the prescription drug biz inside out. His (former?) wife was a sales rep for Merck, and had a degree in chemistry.
That apartment he was living in at the time was built in the 20's and was so beautiful...sigh...
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#665971 - 03/11/08 07:32 AM
Re: Grow your OWN poppies??? Isn't that just gardening?
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Yes, Jim and I were friends. I liked his wife Heidi very much also. They were both crazy eccentric, but good people. I only know the story of his arrest second hand, and the last communication I had with Jim was by email, and he didn't appear to want to talk about it: but you seem to have gotten the story correctly.
Anyway, Jim, and Heidi had moved west from Indiana and Jim was writting books, and publishing his newsletter, "Pills a-go-go" about big Pharma when I met him in Seattle in the early 90's. (One of his books, "So you are going to Prison," was made into a movie 2-3 years ago I was happy to see.) Jim had traveled the world (He had been to South Africa during apartheid!) He had written for the tabloids like the Globe and National Enquirer. In short, Jim is an unusual person, and has a unique mind; I made quite a few friends when I was living in Seattle, and I have lost touch with all of them, but Jim is the only one I really miss.
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#666014 - 03/11/08 08:54 AM
Re: Grow your OWN poppies??? Isn't that just gardening?
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tigersmom
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The thought that Jim would sell drugs is laughable. He is not into stuff like that AT ALL. I feel somewhat personally responsible for Jim and "poppy tea..." But I won't get into all that.
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#695792 - 05/09/08 03:40 AM
Re: Grow your OWN poppies??? Isn't that just gardening?
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You can very legally by Papaver somniferum seeds legally here in the US and grow them.
Seeds?  Go to Ebay and do a search for 'poppy pods'.
They are already dried and ready to "use". Of course, you won't get a recipe for tea. It would be illegal to sell them for consumption.
This quote from a typical ad shows how they get away with it...
For the crafter who wants the higher end of the large pods combined with the smaller end of the jumbo pods at an AMAZING PRICE!! Papaver Somniferum grown, harvested and dried with no chemicals, sprays or dyes.
Very clear that it is the right kind and also that there are no chemicals that might kill you when you drink them. Ideal for all your floral "crafts". 
Considering the tremendous amounts available, this is apparently a very popular hobby!
I've never tried poppy tea or growing my own. Reports vary on the web as being "highly effective/addictive" to "you feel more from aspirin".
Prior to obtaining adequate pain medication, this was my salvation. If you get the right kind and prepare the tea properly, they are most certainly highly effective. And based on how many are selling on Ebay and other sites, it would appear they are highly addictive, too. Anyone who claims "you feel more from aspirin" either got the wrong poppies or just didn't know how to make the tea.
Poppy tea should not be underestimated. There are too many variables that make it difficult to determine how strong it might be. I was somewhat experienced but still managed to overdose badly enough that I decided never to do it again.
I really would not recommend it, but if you do, be sure to do a lot of very careful research!
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