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#682909 - 04/12/08 02:11 PM DLPA/Di-phenylaline
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I have a friend that began taking DLPA 2-3 weeks ago and says it's doing what it's supposed to--reducing pain. She's been using it ALONG WITH her prescribed meds and has noticed that they are much more effective, last longer and she has a overall feeling of well being (well, she's feeling better than she was!) It does make perfect sense. Amino acids that form the peptide chain are the key to opening up the receptors, like a key in a lock. I think I'm going to give it a shot. Anything to help those receptor sites, I say!

http://www.holistic-online.com/Remedies/Arthritis/arth_DLPA.htm

DLPA
In 1972, scientists at the Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine discovered that the human brain produces chemicals that closely resemble morphine, the powerful painkiller. They named these newly discovered substances endorphins. Studies with laboratory animals found that the endorphins were incredibly effective. An endorphin called beta- endorphin was 18 to 50 times stronger than morphine. And dynorphin was apparently 500 times more powerful!
Scientists quickly theorized that the human body makes these tremendous natural painkillers to "mask" routine or unnecessary pain. It was further postulated that the internal painkillers are useful in masking chronic pain such as the pain in case of arthritis.
Like everything else in the body, the endorphin system is balanced. The body makes endorphins, and "endorphin-eaters" to destroy them. The problem is that the endorphin-eaters get the upper hand in many people who suffer from chronic pain. They destroy the endorphins and prevent the internal painkillers from masking chronic pain.
Fortunately, a way to protect the endorphins was quickly discovered. The substance was a simple nutritional amino acid called dl- phenylalanine (DLPA). DLPA is not a drug. It does not block pain. DLPA protects the endorphins from the endorphin-eaters, helping to restore the body's ability to deal with pain. Phenylalanine is found in fish, chicken, eggs and other foods.
Studies have shown that DLPA effectively blocks arthritis pain and joint inflammation in many patients. It is much safer than the standard arthritis medications and considerably less expensive in the long run. Best of all, it is long-lasting. Whereas standard anti-pain and anti-arthritis drugs last for several hours, DLPA can continue quelling pain for up to four or five days.
and

http://www.relieve-migraine-headache.com/dlpa.html

Endorphins are neurotransmitters that are found in the brain. They are your body's natural painkillers that work similar to morphine or codeine. Not only do they relieve pain, they also have been connected to "euphoric" feelings, such as the so called "high" that comes with prolonged, strenuous exercise ("runner's high")

DLPA has been found to be most useful for chronic pain and depression. It has also helped with symptoms of PMS, and even cut down on inflammation. Chronic pain might include back pain, arthritis, pain due to diseases such as cancer, and, of course, headache.
As you can imagine, this may be a great help for those with chronic headaches and especially migraine. Studies have found that migraine sufferers also have low endorphin levels, which is double trouble when you're trying to fight pain!

Essentially, DLPA slows down the enzymes that "eat up" endorphins. That way, the endorphins have longer to do their work.



I checked with my local health food store and it runs around $7-8 for a bottle of 30.
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#683062 - 04/12/08 09:58 PM Re: DLPA/Di-phenylaline [Re: kserah]
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Kserah,

Thanks for the info. I just started using DLPA about 5-6 days ago after hearing about it here and doing some research. I have already felt that my pain is much more under control with my other pain meds (10/325 hydro's) and have not had to take any extra since I started on DLPA, which is the main reason that I tried it because I was having to take 1 or sometimes 2 more 10/325's a day some days. I can say I also feel more energy. Not a real lot but I haven't have those times during the day at work that I just wanted to take a nap.

Do you know how many mg's your friend takes a day and how they spread out the doses? I've read everything from 325 mg's a day to 2000. I'm taking 500 mg's 2-3 times a day. I am also going to start taking Methyl B-12 subliminal supplement tabs starting tomorrow. Has anyone had any success with that?

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#683093 - 04/13/08 02:57 AM Re: DLPA/Di-phenylaline [Re: BBM]
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Are we talking about diphenylalanine here and the title is wrong? Assuming it is, would the stuff carry the same risk for those with phenylketonuria as phenylalanine?
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#683119 - 04/13/08 05:54 AM Re: DLPA/Di-phenylaline [Re: nephro]
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Nephro, I don't know if DL phenylalanine is the same as di-phenylalanine but I suspect it is the same. KSERAH I too am using this and posted somewhere else that I found it so far to be effective (don't know if placebo effect here) but will continue until it doesn't. The bottle cost me 6.99 and has 50 ct 500 mg in it. I take 1 pill 1 hour before meals. The warning, Nephro, is the same for phenylketenurics on the bottle as you mentioned.

Here is the paragraph from WIKI on this:


D- and DL-phenylalanine
The unnatural stereoisomer D-phenylalanine (DPA) is available through conventional organic synthesis either as a single enantiomer or as a component of the racemic mixture. It does not participate in protein biosynthesis although it is found in proteins, in small amounts, particularly aged proteins and food proteins that have been processed. The biological functions of D-amino acids remain unclear. Some D-amino acids, such as D-phenylalanine, may have pharmacological activity.

DL-Phenylalanine is marketed as a nutritional supplement for its putative analgesic and antidepressant activities. The putative analgesic activity of DL-phenylalanine may be explained by the possible blockage by D-phenylalanine of enkephalin degradation by the enzyme carboxypeptidase A.[5] The mechanism of DL-phenylalanine's putative antidepressant activity may be accounted for by the precursor role of L-phenylalanine in the synthesis of the neurotransmitters norepinephrine and dopamine. Elevated brain norepinephrine and dopamine levels are thought to be associated with antidepressant effects.[citation needed] D-Phenylalanine is absorbed from the small intestine, following ingestion, and transported to the liver via the portal circulation. A fraction of D-phenylalanine appears to be converted to L-phenylalanine. D-Phenylalanine is distributed to the various tissues of the body via the systemic circulation. D-Phenylalanine appears to cross the blood-brain barrier with less efficiency than L-phenylalanine. A fraction of an ingested dose of D-phenylalanine is excreted in the urine


Edited by mmyp (04/13/08 05:55 AM)
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#683290 - 04/13/08 01:39 PM Re: DLPA/Di-phenylalanine [Re: mmyp]
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The title said neither, so I took the liberty of correcting it.
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#683392 - 04/13/08 07:55 PM Re: DLPA/Di-phenylaline [Re: BBM]
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That's what I'm hoping to get out of it. I want what I'm taking to be more effective instead of increasing dosages.

My friend has been taking 1000mg capsules 2 times a day, usually about a half an hour before meals. I picked some up at our local health food store (1000mg capsules) and the instructions say 2-3 times a day, but can be decreased. I guess you just have to know your body and go along with how you feel. I started it yesterday, so I'll give it awhile to see what happens.

I saw a film about the amino acids and the peptide chains and what happens when the cell divides. If the receptor sites are 'blocked up', they stay that way when reproduced. It will be interesting to see how I feel in a couple of weeks. Placebo effect or not, if it works--great! Supposedly it's very good for arthritis, too, as well as depression. Gotta keep those endorphins rollin'!!!

mmyp--Thanks for the info. Hearing you say that it works for you gives it a little more credence.


Edited by kserah (04/13/08 08:19 PM)
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#683476 - 04/14/08 06:11 AM Re: DLPA/Di-phenylaline [Re: kserah]
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I read about this in an email from either the Pain Foundation or NFLA - can't remember which. I'm very interested. Then just a few days later while attending a monthly CP support group, a fellow mentioned it again as well as these:

Calcium + MSM
Heavy Multi Vitamin
Grape Seed Extract
Alpha Lipoic Acid
Vit E
Flaxseed or Omega 3 oils
Vit C
B complex complete
Co Enzyme Q10

The fellow has been dx'd with fibromyalgia and had been on pain medication for a while. His tolerance built up and he got tired of having to take so much medication. He went and studied holistic/natural stuff and the above is what he came up with. He now takes NO pain meds and works out including weight lifting.

I am going to try the DLPA first along with my pain meds. If I can get the DLPA to work effectively and come down on the amt of meds I take, I may then introduce some of the other stuff listed above. I'll let you all know how it's going.
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#683483 - 04/14/08 06:22 AM Re: DLPA/Di-phenylaline [Re: RubixCubeTO]
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Rubix, I have not heard about these specifically for fibro, but they are good vitamins to take anyway for most people. I like the DPLA so far. I just hate havng a handful of vitamins to take everyday. I never have been able to find a formulation of stuff that has the right amts and kind of nutrients. Sometimes I wonder if they do any good or if I just have very expensive pee~
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#683484 - 04/14/08 06:24 AM Re: DLPA/Di-phenylaline [Re: mmyp]
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"very expensive pee" <--- lmao!! I know!!

I may add the vitamins shortly, but wanted to start the DLPA first and only that so I could truly say yay or nay. But, I know what you mean - sometimes I feel that when taking suppliments and multi vitamins that I'm just peeing them out, lol.
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#683826 - 04/14/08 07:37 PM Re: DLPA/Di-phenylaline [Re: RubixCubeTO]
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Come to think of it, I read this quite a while back in my "Natural Remedies" Book......

I know that the main ones I personally took were L-Tyrosine (energy) open the capsule and pour it under your tongue, KAVA (Calming effect) (before I started taking Xanax) I don't think KAVA is recommended if one is on Xanax. Sorry, kinda off topic, but it reminded me ;\)
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#684845 - 04/17/08 06:29 AM Re: DLPA/Di-phenylaline [Re: mmyp]
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There was an article that I read on DLPA talking about not only pain relieving properties, but works for depression as well. I'm hoping for both.


Oh and here is a dosing schedule I copied from one of the articles (I didn't come up with it myself lol)

DLPA - Administration & Dosage Schedule
>
> * Form Capsule or tablet
> * Strengths 350 or 500 mg
> * Initial Dosage Up to 2,000 mg/day
> * Phase 1 First 2 weeks
> * Phase 2 3,500 mg/day - Weeks 3-6
> * Phase 3 (if necessary) 4,500 mg/day - Weeks 7-10
> * Ideal level for maintenance: Reduce by 500 mg/day until the
discomfort slightly disappears
> * Consumption Rate 2-3 times throughout the day. Never in one
large dose!
> * Consumption Method 15 minutes before or 1 hour after meals and
at bedtime on an empty stomach!
> * Cautions Stop at 4,500 mg - more is not better
> * Always take amino acids on an empty stomach to maximize
absorption
>
> If no noticeable relief is detected within 3-4 weeks, continue to
increase dosage to a maximum of 4,500 - however, do not go over the 4500


Edited by RubixCubeTO (04/17/08 06:43 AM)
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#686320 - 04/21/08 09:48 AM Re: DLPA/Di-phenylaline [Re: RubixCubeTO]
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ok so I think I started taking this last Tues or Wed and am on the initial 2000mg daily (4xdaily). Seems like right away I felt a difference in my pain control. I also take 3 hydro 7.5 daily which isn't nearly enough as it seems to wear off within 2 hours of taking it now. So my goal with DLPA is to increase the effectiveness of my pain medication.

Anyway - the first 4 days were amazing. I had energy like I have not had in a long time. My pain was under control, in fact I missed a couple of hydro doses. I actually went and raked my yard, got down on hands and knees and cleaned my house, did a bunch of laundry and was still going by time hubby came home. Did this 3 out of the 4 days...but along comes the weekend - specifically Sunday and I think I crashed. I haven't skipped any doses of DLPA, but I think what happens is it builds up and the inital effects wear off. I am so tired today as well. It could be the combo of overwork and DLPA getting to a built up point. I guess that's why the dosing schedule has you go up and up until you reach that certain level, then back down to 500mg a day.

I know it's still to soon to make a judgement, so I wont. Just wanted to let you all know about my experience and I wonder if any one else has had this happen or similar thing happen with DLPA.
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#686338 - 04/21/08 10:15 AM Re: DLPA/Di-phenylaline [Re: RubixCubeTO]
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I think you were right about burning yourself out. It was your body's way of telling you just to take it easy and give it a rest. The same thing happened to me, but I could tell that even though I was taking it easy, the pain control from the meds lasted a lot longer. And I'm only taking 2,000mg a day.

Like I said before, even if it's a placebo effect, I don't care. It works for me and that's all that mattters!
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#686341 - 04/21/08 10:19 AM Re: DLPA/Di-phenylaline [Re: kserah]
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Yea, I should know better than to tax my body that far - it's just that I felt so good and had so much energy. I haven't felt that good in a lot of years. Maybe after resting up, I'll feel good again. The pain control is still there tho, so that's the incredibly good thing about DLPA. Of course now I want the energy I felt at first. Just gotta pace myself - I know this, it's just hard to do when you are feeling so good

I think after a while I will know what to expect and how to treat my body to make the best out of this.
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#687064 - 04/22/08 01:14 PM Re: DLPA/Di-phenylaline [Re: RubixCubeTO]
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Well my experience so far with DLPA has been pretty good. I started taking about 1 1/2 weeks ago and also felt the extra energy but also my pain meds definitely lasted longer. So on Sunday I hit baseballs to my son's team in practice and did some throwing but not a real lot and I felt some normal soreness on Monday but much better than I would usually feel.

Well I run out of DLPA on Monday and go to GNC to pick up another bottle and they are out. No biggie, I'm still feeling good but could not locate any place that had it. I wake up this morning (Tuesday) and felt like someone had just beat the [censored] out of me. Not just soreness but actual hurting from the baseball practice and very lethargic as well. Everything that was just generally sore now hurts badly. In fact it felt like someone had kicked me in the ribs. I couldn't believe how sore I was.

I had to double up on my pain meds and lay in bed until they kicked in just to get going this morning. I now know that the DLPA was in fact working well and have to find some more soon.

Does anyone know of any stores that carry it? GNC said that I got the last bottle and they had stopped carrying it. WTF?? Why didn't they tell me that when I purchased them? The clerk had no idea why but did put some on order for me but I don't think I can wait for the few days or so until they get more in stock.

Did you guys buy it online or at a store and if it was a store, was it a major chain store or health food store? I'm in Illinois so if anyone could help, I would be very grateful. I'm really not looking forward to tomorrow morning.

Thanks,

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#687123 - 04/22/08 02:32 PM Re: DLPA/Di-phenylaline [Re: BBM]
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I find this Very Interesting....I will be going to the Store to get some too!
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#687131 - 04/22/08 02:44 PM Re: DLPA/ Di-phenylalanine /DL-Phenylalanine [Re: BBM]
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Have you just googled it to find places? I got mine at the vitamin shoppe. Price was 6.99 for 50ct of 500mg.
Here is a link for I think 500 capsules
http://www.vitacost.com/NSI-DL-Phenylala...nine|1742939831
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#687132 - 04/22/08 02:47 PM Re: DLPA/ Di-phenylalanine /DL-Phenylalanine [Re: mmyp]
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Thanks for that Link mmyp...I really don't have alot of shopping options where I live.
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#687134 - 04/22/08 02:49 PM Re: DLPA/ Di-phenylalanine /DL-Phenylalanine [Re: stevo1]
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$20 for 300 ct 500mg Caps
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#687259 - 04/22/08 06:45 PM Re: DLPA/Di-phenylaline [Re: BBM]
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My local GNC didn't have it either. I did find it at Warren Nutrition tho - do you have one of those near you?
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#687323 - 04/22/08 09:17 PM Re: DLPA/Di-phenylaline [Re: RubixCubeTO]
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I got mine at The Vitamin Shoppe also...Advanced Nutrition also carries it...
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#687371 - 04/23/08 04:56 AM Re: DLPA/Di-phenylaline [Re: RubixCubeTO]
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 Originally Posted By: RubixCubeTO
Yea, I should know better than to tax my body that far - it's just that I felt so good and had so much energy. I haven't felt that good in a lot of years. Maybe after resting up, I'll feel good again. The pain control is still there tho, so that's the incredibly good thing about DLPA. Of course now I want the energy I felt at first. Just gotta pace myself - I know this, it's just hard to do when you are feeling so good

I think after a while I will know what to expect and how to treat my body to make the best out of this.


just to let everyone who is following this know - I did come down with an awful cold. This could be why I felt so yucky - may have nothing to do with the DLPA. Will update when over the cold.
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#687449 - 04/23/08 08:14 AM Re: DLPA/Di-phenylaline [Re: RubixCubeTO]
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I am interested in taking this stuff myself but I have two gastric ulcers...does anyone know if this would affect my ulcers...i hope not because I would really like to try it...any suggestions would be great...
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#687451 - 04/23/08 08:18 AM Re: DLPA/Di-phenylaline [Re: walrustooth]
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I'm really not sure Walrustooth, but I will say that the instructions are to take them on empty stomach. Unlike other suppliments, this one does not give me any problems. Of course, I don't have ulcers tho. Could you ask your doc about it?
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#687459 - 04/23/08 08:30 AM Re: DLPA/Di-phenylaline [Re: RubixCubeTO]
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Thanks for the info...Yeah..I will probably call my doctor and ask what does he think...Hopefully it will be okay for me to take cause it sounds like it helps...
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#687555 - 04/23/08 11:58 AM Re: DLPA/Di-phenylaline [Re: walrustooth]
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I wonder if this stuff will help for pain for a sub patient? sub helps pain some, but not enough.

is it expensive? like closer to $35 for a bottle than say $10 ?

the bathroom trips caused by DLPA would sure be a benefit!

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#687560 - 04/23/08 12:06 PM Re: DLPA/Di-phenylaline [Re: scruf]
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Give it a shot Scruf you got $30-$40 to lose and another couple of dollars for toilet paper.

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#689183 - 04/26/08 10:47 AM Re: DLPA/Di-phenylaline [Re: jl767]
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I too am interested in this product so I called GNC here and they quit carrying it. So I asked why? She said that the military had requested them to not sell it. I am a veteran and live between 2 military bases and made me wonder just how much control that they have here? She told me that I really should talk with my Doctor about it. I use to go to the VA clinic here but have found that I cannot seem to get much help from them. So I will call my PCP and ask what he knows about it or if anyone out there reading this has some negative report about it please post it. I just want to make sure that it is safe. It sounds logical that this would help cp patients.
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#689198 - 04/26/08 11:31 AM Re: DLPA/Di-phenylaline [Re: RubixCubeTO]
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 Originally Posted By: RubixCubeTO

Anyway - the first 4 days were amazing. I had energy like I have not had in a long time. My pain was under control, in fact I missed a couple of hydro doses. I actually went and raked my yard, got down on hands and knees and cleaned my house, did a bunch of laundry and was still going by time hubby came home. Did this 3 out of the 4 days...but along comes the weekend - specifically Sunday and I think I crashed.

I and others I know have experienced the same effect.
If you have read up on it,you will know that the L isomer of phenylalanine converts to dopamine,nor-adrenaline and adrenaline.When these build up to a certain level,which will be different in each person,they can actually push any opiates out quicker.As well as the fact that dopamine and adrenaline,when taken regularly can cause sedation and fatigue type symptoms.
This is why it is best to regulate your dosage up and down as necessary.Some people take months before they find a system that works for them.But it is worth sticking with it,and take breaks occasionally(after tapering,as it can cause withdrawal type symptoms after taking for long period of time).

BulkNutrition.com has the bulk powder for $15us for 300gms.
LINK: http://www.bulknutrition.com/?products_id=1018
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#689225 - 04/26/08 12:42 PM Re: DLPA/Di-phenylaline [Re: JokerOwling]
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I just ordered it Online at this Place.

http://www.vitacost.com/productResults.aspx?.x=13&ss=1&Ntk=products&.y=10&Ntt=dlpa
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