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#683143 - 04/13/08 07:52 AM Walmart refilling question
AngieA Offline
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I had used Target before but decided to try Walmart (only carries mallies, yuck) this time. Target had no problem refilling on 25rh day (and they had Watsons) I tried refilling at Walmart on 24th day. I had a close relative die an hour out of town and was hoping I could get refill because I will be packing up her stuff the next 2 weeks, she was in her 90s she has lots of stuff) The Walmart tech says I have to wait until the 30th day!!

I have read here that technically, one can refill when 80% is used up. So shouldn't I be able to get my refill by now? Do you think I should talk to the actual pharmacist about this 80% rule? Explain to him/her about the death in my family and that is affecting my time schedule?

Would it be bad if I transferred my last 2 refills back to Target so I can try and get my refills? Is that possible?? Too many raised eyebrows? Otherwise I will have to wait until Saturday, when bunches of relatives will be coming in to get their boxes of stuff. The 30th day will be crazy and I will probably have to stay up there Friday night, 29th day.

What should I do? Ideas, suggestions, thoughts, experiences would be appreciated. I pay cash so no insurance involved.

Even if I transfer back to Target, will they have to call and verify with FL doc? I have heard he is trying to get out of business too. I mean could I lose my refills if I try this? Or should I see if I can find and talk to a reasonable pharmacist about 80% rule. Help!!

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#683165 - 04/13/08 08:56 AM Re: Walmart refilling question [Re: AngieA]
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There is no 80% rule (except maybe with insurance) refills are left up to the pharmacist. Some will let you fill early some will not. If you have already transfered the script from Target to Walmart you can not transfer back as you can only transfered a controlled med once. Try talking to the pharmacist and see if he/she will help you out.
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#683173 - 04/13/08 09:11 AM Re: Walmart refilling question [Re: gr8fulcpa]
MNLady Offline
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I'm sorry to hear about your loss, Angie.

Gr8 is right, can't transfer RX for controlled med more than once. If you are using insurance, it seems to be no problem refilling on day 25---I have done that often at Walgreens (who also carries Watson).

But I have read more than once in posts here that Walmart seems to be pretty strict about 30 days.

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#683187 - 04/13/08 09:28 AM Re: Walmart refilling question [Re: AngieA]
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My Condolences, AngieA,


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Would it be bad if I transferred my last 2 refills back to Target so I can try and get my refills? Is that possible?? Too many raised eyebrows?


I know we're not to quote from the VIP side, but I'm hoping Admin can forgive me this one time. Besides, this gives members a good incentive to join the VIP side for the maximum amount of information:

A "Direct Script" Doctor has been giving advice on the VIP side. Here is something important that was said by the Doctor:

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With narcotics this is a HUGE NO NO. Please pick a pharmacy where you know you are going to go back to get your other two refills. Most of the time when you try to transfer refills on a narcotic prescription, the pharmacist will cancel the refills and require that the physician write a new script.


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Again, normally I wouldn't do this, but I'd hate to see Angie end up with even more worries during this time of grief.

Take care,

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#683194 - 04/13/08 09:40 AM Re: Walmart refilling question [Re: gr8fulcpa]
AngieA Offline
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Thanks so much for your reply!

No, I did not transfer this to Walmart, I took it there first so I have never transferred it. I was just trying to see which pharmacy would be best in the long run. I obviously made a mistake choosing Walmart with their maillies and more stringent refill Rules.

Is it possible to transfer an out of state script that has already been filled once? Do you think Walmart will tell Target not to let me have it until the 30th day? What about Costco? They are actually closest to me but I have never filled a script there because I am not a member. How strict are they on refill days, do you know? TARGET was a breeze, 25 day refill was fine, no questions required. (My new Rx was with the OCS's new doctor and I wondered if having 2 dif out of state doctors would raise eyebrows or raise questions). That is another reason I went to Walmart. My hubby needs blood pressure meds refilled so maybe I could transfer both at same time??

Will it help to talk to the actual pharmacist at Walmart and not a tech? I know some pharmacists can be power mad jerks. I could also mention I prefer the 'yellow' ones that they do not carry since the white ones have a filler that seems to irritate my tummy. Too much info?

I am throwing out ideas here. If anyone can offer suggestions or experience here, I would much appreciate it!
Can a FL script be transferred once? HELP!!

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#683202 - 04/13/08 09:55 AM Re: Walmart refilling question [Re: patient2all]
AngieA Offline
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Thank you all for your condolences. My aunt never had kids and I was one of her favorite nieces. My mom is the executer. It is very hard to box up aunts stuff (and be fair to all other relatives so there are no hard feelings)

Patient2All, sounds like I could lose my script even if I tried to transfer it once. Walmart has the actual paper script. Would it be worth trying to talk to actual Pharmacist and not a tech?? I did mention the funeral to her but she sounded busy and uncaring. Would it be worth a try or be more trouble than it is worth?

Thank you all!
Angie

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#683211 - 04/13/08 10:21 AM Re: Walmart refilling question [Re: AngieA]
patient2all Offline

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Angie,

I was just reporting what one Direct Script Doctor advised on the VIP side. I have no personal experience with this. However, given the already "gray area" of the FL Rx, I personally would be reluctant to talk to the pharmacy.

I'd suggest contacting the service that you used Monday morning and asking their advice.

Good luck,

patient2all
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#683213 - 04/13/08 10:30 AM Re: Walmart refilling question [Re: AngieA]
MNLady Offline
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 Originally Posted By: AngieA
Thanks so much for your reply!

No, I did not transfer this to Walmart, I took it there first so I have never transferred it. I was just trying to see which pharmacy would be best in the long run. I obviously made a mistake choosing Walmart with their maillies and more stringent refill Rules.

Is it possible to transfer an out of state script that has already been filled once? Do you think Walmart will tell Target not to let me have it until the 30th day? What about Costco? They are actually closest to me but I have never filled a script there because I am not a member. How strict are they on refill days, do you know? TARGET was a breeze, 25 day refill was fine, no questions required. (My new Rx was with the OCS's new doctor and I wondered if having 2 dif out of state doctors would raise eyebrows or raise questions). That is another reason I went to Walmart. My hubby needs blood pressure meds refilled so maybe I could transfer both at same time??

Will it help to talk to the actual pharmacist at Walmart and not a tech? I know some pharmacists can be power mad jerks. I could also mention I prefer the 'yellow' ones that they do not carry since the white ones have a filler that seems to irritate my tummy. Too much info?

I am throwing out ideas here. If anyone can offer suggestions or experience here, I would much appreciate it!
Can a FL script be transferred once? HELP!!


Sorry I misread your original post Angie. I thought you had already transferred it once. No question about that---you CAN'T transfer a controlled RX more than once.

In my state, you can legally transfer a controlled RX once. I live, as my screen name suggests, in Minnesota. It's written very clearly in our state's Rules. What state do you live in? I will try to help find some guidance if you let me know where you are.....

Also, in my experience, pharmacies don't carry more than one generic---I doubt if Walmart even carries Watson for you to be able to request.

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#683215 - 04/13/08 10:33 AM Re: Walmart refilling question [Re: patient2all]
MNLady Offline
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 Originally Posted By: patient2all
Angie,

I was just reporting what one Direct Script Doctor advised on the VIP side. I have no personal experience with this. However, given the already "gray area" of the FL Rx, I personally would be reluctant to talk to the pharmacy.

I'd suggest contacting the service that you used Monday morning and asking their advice.

Good luck,

patient2all


The only thing I would add to Patient's post is that I would NOT contact the service you used if it is CD. They specifically make a point of NO early refills and I don't know if their doc would consider this early or not. Too few choices out there to make potential waves if there is anyway around it. \:\(

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#683227 - 04/13/08 11:09 AM Re: Walmart refilling question [Re: MNLady]
AngieA Offline
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Thanks for your help. I live in a state that is becoming more and more strict (MO) but I do most of my shopping in KS since I only live a few blocks from there. The Target I used was in MO using Allied, an OCS that is now a rip-off. Avant is the new one I used. I felt nervous about having a different doctor so went to my closest WalMart in KS where I do my grocery shopping. Lots of Hispanic people in that neighborhood so I am sure they have seen lots of scripts from FL or TX.

What do you think? I could show the obit if that would help them be more lenient or understanding.

Oh, and last year I used another Direct place before they dropped MO, took it to a KS mom and pop, and they were fabulous about 25 day refill. But dif doctor again made me nervous.

Any ideas appreciated. I am going to be getting ready for the hour drive to my aunts to continue boxing up soon. She lived on the MO side and I was wondering if I could have it transferred near her place if I explained why?? It is a teeny town but there is a huge mall area 10 miles south I could stop there on the way up. But is it worth transferring once, esp after what patient2all said, that I might lose my refills?

Boxing up stuff is taking its toll on my body and 4 a day gets me through all this physical work. (Supposed to be 3 a day)

Thank you!!

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#683244 - 04/13/08 11:59 AM Re: Walmart refilling question [Re: AngieA]
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But is it worth transferring once, esp after what patient2all said, that I might lose my refills?


Angie, keep in mind, those were the Doctor's words that I quoted. I thought they might be appropriate to your situation. Sorry to hear you've got such a tough road ahead of you!

patient2all
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#683250 - 04/13/08 12:13 PM Re: Walmart refilling question [Re: patient2all]
AngieA Offline
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Thanks for your advice. I just read on another forum that my new OCS is having Dr troubles so I better not push it. Am digging out Vioxx, Bextra, etc to get me though.

AND my hubby's cousin just called and said his Aunt is in hospice, No boxing up items there as she has been in nursing home awhile.

When it rains, it pours!

Thank you all!!

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#683252 - 04/13/08 12:22 PM Re: Walmart refilling question [Re: AngieA]
MNLady Offline
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Registered: 04/24/07
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OK, my opinion.

Don't take the chance and transfer your RX if you can at all avoid it. You do take the chance that the original RX and all refills will be cancelled. It is totally up the pharmacist.Personally I think all of us who are using DS are taking that chance---that we will get a local pharmacist who will think it's "for our own good". Endless shipping delays to gets meds at your door or a pharmacist locally who will play God. Great choices for us CP'ers.

Kansas also specifically states that no refills need to be honored earlier than 30 days if that is what original RX was for:
Drugs shall in no event be dispensed more frequently or in larger amounts than the
prescriber ordered without direct prescriber authorization by way of a new prescription
order.
Pages 53-54 Kansas Board of Pharmacy act http://www.accesskansas.org/pharmacy/KANSAS%20STATE%20BOARD%20OF%20PHARMACY%20LAWS%2008.pdf

I'm sure you probably realize this, but don't transfer RX from KS to MO. MO has a specific internet RX laws they wrote and will undoubtedly be riskier to get out-of-state RX refilled than transferring in Kansas. Legally, you can transfer the RX in Kansas as long as it is not Sch 2.

I'm in the same position where MD RX's 3x/day when that is the absolute minimum you can get by with and 4X day would be better. Good luck and my sympathies again to you.

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#683255 - 04/13/08 12:23 PM Re: Walmart refilling question [Re: MNLady]
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The Missouri Internet RX link, if you are interested...

http://www.pr.mo.gov/boards/pharmacy/PharmInternetPrescribeDispense.pdf

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#683464 - 04/14/08 04:32 AM Re: Walmart refilling question [Re: MNLady]
AngieA Offline
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 Originally Posted By: MNLady

It is totally up the pharmacist---that we will get a local pharmacist who will think it's "for our own good".

Kansas also specifically states that no refills need to be honored earlier than 30 days if that is what original RX was for:

I'm sure you probably realize this, but don't transfer RX from KS to another state. Legally, you can transfer the RX in Kansas as long as it is not Sch 2. (It isn't, it is Sched 3)

Good luck and my sympathies again to you.


Thank you MNLady, Patient2All and other helpful folks. I had thought about transferring from one KS pharmacy to another KS pharm, it would be my first and only transfer, I never tried it before. KS is closer to home and cheaper (taxes etc) so I always shop there. That is why I am so SHOCKED about Walmarts 30 day rule, other KS places were easily refilled at 25th day with absolutely NO hassle, which would/did make my life easier, esp now. My opinion: NEVER use WalMart unless it is your only choice.

My Aunt-in-law did pass away yesterday. She had a nice long life but now I have to figure out how to make the 2 hour drive for her visitation and next day's funeral. Then get back to boxing up my own aunt's stuff which is an hour in another direction. WalMart could have helped make my life a little easier at this esp difficult time. Sorry to gripe and THANKS again for the advice!!

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#685171 - 04/18/08 12:43 AM Re: Walmart refilling question [Re: AngieA]
AngieA Offline
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FYI- on the 27th day, I went to WalMart, with my one funeral "Memoriam' printed card in tne one hand and a printed out newspaper obit in the other hand. Asked to speak to the Pharmacist. Explained my timing predicament to a graying haired, 40-something pharmacist. He said well, whats the problem then? Told him I was told I would have to wait until the 30th day to pick up my refill. Within 5 minutes I had my refill. I DO resent going through the song and dance. I know I won't ever use WalMart again. Target and grocery stores pharms made it painless in the past. IMO.
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#685188 - 04/18/08 03:17 AM Re: Walmart refilling question [Re: AngieA]
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Hi AngieA, sorry to here of your loss, and I have not read every post in this section. I am glad to see that The older
Pharmacist was able to make a good call and get you your meds.

I am sure that their are laws that vary between states on when you can pick up your refill. But as a couple of posters have mentioned, I do think that this experienced Pharmacist had the know how on getting your script filled on the day you needed it, there must be some exception code or explaination he may have to write up and the other Pharmacist were afraid, non caring, or lazy to help a person in need. I am glad to here you have your meds now.
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#693885 - 05/05/08 04:31 PM Re: Walmart refilling question [Re: Strawberry]
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Is Walmart 30 day refill policy across the board? I am having problems in my state too. I refilled earlier last time... this time they won't do it or something is up.

Anybody know is the 30 day rule is nationwide for Walmart?

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#693908 - 05/05/08 05:05 PM Re: Walmart refilling question [Re: SallyCShells]
kay4 Offline
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I'm so very sorry for your loss Angie.
Can't you just request your refill and get it at a Walmart near your Aunt's home? I think they're Walmart's every other block, you know?
Seems like it shouldn't be a problem to get it from another chain when it's 30 days.
Good luck.

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#694020 - 05/05/08 10:10 PM Re: Walmart refilling question [Re: kay4]
gabie Offline
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My refill 30 days is up on Saturday and I am going to San Antonio on Friday. I called the GRO store chain pharmacy and asked what the policy was.
He very abruptly said no medication prescribed for 30 days can be filled until the 28th day. Period. Just like that
Friday is day 29 if you count the day you picked up the prescription. Do you count that day or the next day?
Any comments?
gabie

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#694039 - 05/06/08 01:09 AM Re: Walmart refilling question [Re: Strawberry]
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The 30 day is wal-marts personal policy,not the law,on sch 2 meds,sch 3 is a diffrent story,or maybe its the other way around I get my schules mixed up,,LOL same as at home,..Sugar
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#694226 - 05/06/08 11:36 AM Re: Walmart refilling question [Re: sugarsjojo]
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Hi all!

Walmart is the worst place to get a rx. filled. They are rude, to say the least!!!! (At least where I live). Like one of the posters said, maybe you could get it filled in San Antonio.

I too, am sorry for your loss.

Prayers to you and your family....

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#694237 - 05/06/08 11:50 AM Re: Walmart refilling question [Re: fisher56]
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I hear you. I refilled my husbands diabetic medication she was so nasty that you would think I was asking for a 1,000 count of vicodin.
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#694238 - 05/06/08 11:51 AM Re: Walmart refilling question [Re: fisher56]
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Most Walmart stores (well, pharmacist) have the 30 day policy, regardless of the state or local laws. Where I live they frequently make people wait till 31st day. I know many people who take most of their scripts there, and all controlled ones elsewhere (mom&pops or 45 minutes away CVS or similar)
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#694418 - 05/06/08 03:59 PM Re: Walmart refilling question [Re: Bluefairy]
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Loc: The boonies of Texas
No one really answered my question. Does any one know if the day you pick up your prescription counts as day # 1 on the 30 day countdown. If it does then I'll be OK.

If you were to pick up at 9 AM and took your dose for that day, how could they not count it as day # 1

Someone should know this. Any ideas out there?
gabie

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#694422 - 05/06/08 04:04 PM Re: Walmart refilling question [Re: gabie]
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Walmart refilled my hydro script on my 27th day...i live in Penna...not sure that matters or not.
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#694626 - 05/06/08 10:00 PM Re: Walmart refilling question [Re: AngieA]
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Loc: Left Coast
Angie,

So sorry about your loss.

In the future, definitely use COSTCO. One doesn't have to be a member to use the pharmacy. They are well staffed, treat people with respect and do a lot for the community.

IMO, both Walmart and Target are places to avoid in any state.

I think that the "pharmacist" was following the general rule of refills being based on an average 30-day month (some have more or Feb. less). Therefore, many are flexible at about 28 days because that's approximately how it averages out over a year. However , the more conservative the company, the more likely they are to be more absolute in their thinking Given the conservative values of these stores, it is possible that you were targeted b/c of re-filling pain meds.

Take good care.....and after the dust settles, go to COSTCO.
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#694640 - 05/06/08 10:45 PM Re: Walmart refilling question [Re: sunflower2]
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To answer the question about whether the day you pick up your prescription counts as Day One.

Unfortunately, it doesn't. I don't get it, and never will, but it's the DAY AFTER you pick up that counts as Day One. Like what? We pick up our needed medicine, then don't start taking it until the next day? Now I can see it if you're getting refills on the 28th day of each month, but I'm talking about from the very first prescription. Why is the day you picked up not counted? Just doesn't make sure.

So yeah, Walmart could in fact make you wait until what you consider to be Day 31, but they consider to be Day 30, since we obviously are supposed to spend the first day we pick up merely observing our medicines and making sure they don't run away or something, and then when we know they are safe we start taking them the next day. Whatever.

That makes it so that if you get prescriptions every 28 days, it's actually every 29 days, counting Day one of the day you filled. I used to have my doctor ask me if I had extra medicine after months of getting them filled and I said "Of course not, why?" and he said because I'd been getting 2 extra days of medicine. Well, actually, counting Day One (from the very first prescription) of filling the prescription, then going back to the doctor 4 weeks later and getting it filled that day, it makes it 29 days, and no, I don't have any extra. That Big Ole one extra day of medicine is used for really bad days, and I could actually use about 3 extra days of medicine a month to help with bad days, you know?

Thank goodness where I live, and with my insurance, I've always been able to pick up at Day 28 (Day 29 in my mind) for CII's (but again, those have to be filled within 3 days of getting them, so be quick to fill those!) and around Day 25 for CIII's, CIVs, etc.

Don't quote me on this for every state. I only know this to be the rule in my state and has always had me shaking my head about what I'm supposed to do on Day One when I fill it. Perhaps use the bottles as footballs, count them, leave them laying out to see if the cats want to play with them, whatever. Then the next morning I can use them. Right. No, I'm taking them the day I was prescribed them and picked them up.

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#694649 - 05/06/08 11:00 PM Re: Walmart refilling question [Re: Lynx4]
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No matter what Pharmacy chain you use it is always best to go in person and talk to the pharmacist only! If you need to get your script earlier than 30 days 99% of the time your refil will get taken care of but when people call on the phone asking about getting controlled scripts filled early they always blow you off with the I dont give a S**T attitude. I have never been turned down when I went in person and spoke directly to the pharmacist, stay away from techs who think they are GOD!!

Edited by bogside (05/06/08 11:02 PM)

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#694803 - 05/07/08 08:13 AM Re: Walmart refilling question [Re: bogside]
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I guess what day counts as day one can vary also.
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