#742532 - 08/06/08 11:27 AM
Re: Obeclox (Hydrochlorate of clobenzore)/ Asenlix (Clobenzorex)
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Pickle
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They are indeed 30mg Clobenzorex made by a Mexican company called PRODUCTOS MEDIX, S.A. DE C.V. You can take a look at the box at the company's web page. You could also probably learn a lot about their product(s) if you spoke Spanish.
http://www.medix.com.mx/inicio/
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#743075 - 08/07/08 09:23 AM
Re: Obeclox (Hydrochlorate of clobenzore)/ Asenlix (Clobenzorex)
[Re: Pickle]
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Ferkelchen
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Correct me if I'm wrong but a script won't do you any good in the U.S. where I believe the drug is illegal (Schedule I?). Blackheart, didn't you have to take the script to Mexico to get it filled?
I was asking if Blackheart had a script from a Mexican doctor before buying it in Mexico. Obeclox/asenlix is banned in the US - but when it wasn't, I believe it was a schedule II or III.
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#743150 - 08/07/08 11:17 AM
Re: Obeclox (Hydrochlorate of clobenzore)/ Asenlix (Clobenzorex)
[Re: Dennit]
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Pickle
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That is suppose to be right according to anything I've seen written on it. Clobenzorex is metabolized to d-amphetamine which is Dexedrine.
But if you say it isn't the same then it isn't. Maybe something having to do with needing to metabolize it (which I've heard of before).
Other sources for the med are http://www.medicinegallery.com and http://www.ship4sure.com which was stood up to replace http://www.thriftmeds.com.
Interestingly both of these places take credit cards but it's not the same old same old with only taking VISA.
BTW, how does one traverse pharmacyworld to find Asenlix (or anything else). I just run into a jumble of loop-back hyperlinks.
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#743170 - 08/07/08 12:05 PM
Re: Obeclox (Hydrochlorate of clobenzore)/ Asenlix (Clobenzorex)
[Re: Dennit]
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martind
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I got30mg. Asenlix (Itravil brand) from Pharmacyworld (Karlos).
I don't like it much and I find it hard to believe that it's dexedrine. Not that I doubt you, pickle but just based on my own experience. As far as appetite control I find phentermine (duromine) to be much more effective. I dunno... maybe I should have tried it for longer but after taking it for two days I stopped. Didn't do much for me.
It is definitely not Dexadrine. I believe it has appetite suppression qualities similar to phentermine and in a much weaker manner to drugs in the amphetamine class.
It is dissimilar enough to amphetamines that the FDA banned it years ago because of serious CNS effects and pulmonary hypertension problems. I'd be really careful with this drug.
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#743193 - 08/07/08 12:31 PM
Re: Obeclox (Hydrochlorate of clobenzore)/ Asenlix (Clobenzorex)
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martind
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I won't argue it but I would encourage if you're interested to do a web search or other research on it. I guarantee you won't find anything that says something other than the body metabolizes Clobenzorex into dextroamphetamine and into no other substance. Try doing a web search on Clobenzorex and see what you come with.
I have seen that information regarding the metabolization but the fact that clobenzorex has been banned and dextroamphetamine has not should indicate to you that these are not the same medication.
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#743357 - 08/07/08 05:02 PM
Re: Obeclox (Hydrochlorate of clobenzore)/ Asenlix (Clobenzorex)
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Ferkelchen
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I find it so strange that clobenzorex would be banned over dextroamphetamine. On this document I found from 2001, clobenzorex is described as "a relatively new anorectic drug that has been cited in the literature the last couple of years. It is not available in the United States, but is available in other countries such as Mexico, Spain, Argentina, and France. Clobenzorex is manufactured by Hoechst Marion Roussel as a 30 mg capsule, dark/light green in color and marked with HMR. Clobenzorex metabolizes to d-amphetamine and has amphetamine-like central stimulant behavioral properties." However, the same document goes on to describe its pharmacology as "approximately 20 times less potent than (+)amphetamine."
I'm quoting from here: http://www.cal-tox.org/Downloads/Monographs/Clobenzorex.pdf
FYI - it's no longer available in France, but I read on a French forum that it was once quite common.
I can't find it now, of course, but I was doing a lot of research on it the other night, and read somewhere that clobenzorex doesn't have the same effects as dex because of needing to be metabolized into d-amphetamine first. Something about needing to take much more clo to get anywhere near what dex would do, and how it is a "pro-drug" of amphetamine [not sure what that means]. Sorry, if I find the link again, I'll post it.
Can't find what its class was either...
Like Dennit, I tried Itravil for weight loss, and found it useless for appetite control. Nor did it make me feel "speedy". Seemed pretty useless to me.
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#743510 - 08/07/08 11:02 PM
Re: Obeclox (Hydrochlorate of clobenzore)/ Asenlix (Clobenzo
[Re: Ferkelchen]
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_Blackheart_
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Correct me if I'm wrong but a script won't do you any good in the U.S. where I believe the drug is illegal (Schedule I?). Blackheart, didn't you have to take the script to Mexico to get it filled? I was asking if Blackheart had a script from a Mexican doctor before buying it in Mexico. Obeclox/asenlix is banned in the US - but when it wasn't, I believe it was a schedule II or III.
Yes the script was from a Mexican doctor and it was filled in Mexico.
Edited by _Blackheart_ (08/07/08 11:12 PM)
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#743712 - 08/08/08 09:36 AM
Re: Obeclox (Hydrochlorate of clobenzore)/ Asenlix (Clobenzorex)
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Pickle
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Found a medical article describing the relative amounts of clobenzorex and amphetamine in the blood steam. It says towards the bottom, "This analysis revealed that the metabolite, (amphetamine) is present in much higher concentrations than the parent compound, clobenzorex. Yet even at peak amphetamine concentrations, the parent was not always detected (limit of detection 1 ng/mL)"
47 ng/mL clobenzorex
4700 ng/mL amphetamine
That's a factor of 100. In other words, this stuff should kick your butt.
RELATED RECORDS
Metabolic production of amphetamine following multidose administration of clobenzorex.
Baden KL, Valtier S, Cody JT
J Anal Toxicol 1999; 23:511-7.
Abstract
The interpretation of urine drug-testing results can have important forensic and legal implications. In particular, drugs that are metabolized to amphetamine or methamphetamine or both pose significant concerns. In this study, clobenzorex, an anorectic drug that is metabolized to d-amphetamine, was administered to five subjects. Each subject took 30 mg daily for seven days, and individual urine samples were collected ad lib for 14 days beginning on the first day the drug was administered. Urine pH, specific gravity, and creatinine values were determined for each sample. Gas chromatography-mass spectrometry (GC-MS) was used to determine the excretion profile of amphetamine and clobenzorex using a standard procedure for amphetamines with additional monitoring of ions at m/z 118, 125, and 364 for the detection of clobenzorex. Peak concentrations of amphetamine were found at 82 to 168 h after the first dose and ranged from approximately 2900 to 4700 ng/mL amphetamine. The use of a regioisomer (3-Cl-benzylamphetamine) as internal standard allowed for accurate quantitation of the parent drug. Peak concentrations of clobenzorex were found at 50 to 120 h after the first dose and ranged from approximately 8 to 47 ng/mL clobenzorex. However, in many samples, clobenzorex was not detected at all. This analysis revealed that the metabolite, (amphetamine) is present in much higher concentrations than the parent compound, clobenzorex. Yet even at peak amphetamine concentrations, the parent was not always detected (limit of detection 1 ng/mL). Thus, in the interpretation of amphetamine-positive drug-testing results, the absence of clobenzorex in the urine sample does not exclude the possibility of its use.
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#743726 - 08/08/08 10:09 AM
Re: Obeclox (Hydrochlorate of clobenzore)/ Asenlix (Clobenzorex)
[Re: Pickle]
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Dennit
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I'm going to try it again today. I just realized that the reason it may not have worked for me is because I had been taking phentermine (duromine) for a week and I'm sure that affected my tolerance, although I only take one in the morning. If I find that I like it, I'm going to check out the sites you mentioned for maybe a better price. Is it listed as clobenzorex? or Asenlix? or Obeclox as the op mentioned. I would like to try that just because it's not a generic like Karlos has.
Btw, the reason that most online places don't take Mastercard is because Mastercard won't take them  Mastercard has a firm policy about not taking on any online pharmacy related merchants.
Also, I have been doing more reading about Asenlix (plenty google info. using that name) and what you said is true:
Clobenzorex is metabolized to d-amphetamine
Maybe the key here is "metabolized" and how long that takes and how much is lost. I took dexedrine in the 70's and remember it like yesterday. It was a green capsule too. It was very strong right from the beginning and there was absolutely no doubt that it was working. I remember someone asking me if I felt it yet and my response was "I may never eat again". It was very strong and coming down was a hard crash  Of course, I was very young and had 0 tolerance to anything.
Edited by Dennit (08/08/08 10:16 AM)
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#743886 - 08/08/08 03:14 PM
Re: Obeclox (Hydrochlorate of clobenzore)/ Asenlix (Clobenzorex)
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martind
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Tried pharmworldmx asenlix. Made me feel icky. Headachy, tweeky, not it a good way. Didn't have appetite, but that wasn't the reason I took it. Took it for increased focus, but it mostly was body buzz like a buch of mini thins. Yuck. Great customer service, though.
From the prescribing information, that's what this medication was developed to do. Curb appetite. Not "increase focus."
Maybe you should do some research on why it has been banned in various countries including the US.
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#743888 - 08/08/08 03:18 PM
Re: Obeclox (Hydrochlorate of clobenzore)/ Asenlix (Clobenzorex)
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[quote=belief]Maybe you should do some research on why it has been banned in various countries including the US.
Abuse and because of its propensity to cause extrememly high blood pressure resulting in stroke.
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