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#782292 - 10/10/08 01:21 PM Please, please dont ban me for this! just want to know ...
jennygirl jennygirl Member Registered: 01/30/07 Posts: 185 Loc: N.E. USA	i apologize in advance if this question has been asked and answered previously. im a busy lil girl and sometimes i cant read through everything. question: since medical marijuana IS legal and able to be prescribed in California, is it a violation of the Rules to discuss THC on this board? i do NOT mean how to obtain it or catch a buzz with it. just the pharmacological aspects, chemistry, and the pros and cons to using it to treat specific MEDICALLY RECOGNIZED conditions for which it has shown to be beneficial, such as glaucoma, cancer, AIDS and severe appetite loss? like maybe restricting discussion of THC to the "Prescription Drug Information" forum and no where else? im really not trying to be a brat here, honest! just curious how the admins, mods and senior members feel about this idea. with respect and appreciation, -Jenny EDIT: please feel free to respond even if you are not admin or mod, etc. all are welcome to comment, just wanted to make that clear. Edited by jennygirl (10/10/08 01:35 PM)
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#782305 - 10/10/08 01:48 PM Re: Please, please dont ban me for this! just want to know ... [Re: jennygirl]
NotBillGates NotBillGates GRAND Pooh-Bah Registered: 01/15/04 Posts: 2873 Loc: 867-5309	JennyGirl, Medical Marijuana has been discussed many times over the years. The most recent: http://www.drugbuyers.com/freeboard/ubbt...true#Post778579 It's a legal drug in several states (Kalifornia being the largest and most receptive). Therefore, I see no reason why it can't be a subject of conversation. I've known several people who benefited tremendously with the aid of both marijuana and Dronabinol (a man-made version of THC available by prescription) Maybe you are asking if a thread dedicated to medical marijuana could be created like there are for Oxycodone, Hydrocodone, etc? Surely Admin or one of the Mods will chime in here. _________________________ “Choosing Obama is a great opportunity for Americans to show the world they can change, be humble and learn from their mistakes." - Nelson Mandela
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#782307 - 10/10/08 01:52 PM Re: Please, please dont ban me for this! just want to know ... [Re: NotBillGates]
kserah kserah GRAND Pooh-Bah Registered: 10/05/04 Posts: 5075 Loc: In the moment	We discuss ketamine and I don't see doctors prescribing it freely, although apparently some get it. I don'see my wmedical MJ should not be discussed. _________________________ If at first you don't succeed, then skydiving definitely is not for you.
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#782536 - 10/10/08 09:16 PM Re: Please, please dont ban me for this! just want to know ... [Re: NotBillGates]
jennygirl jennygirl Member Registered: 01/30/07 Posts: 185 Loc: N.E. USA	Originally Posted By: NotBillGates Maybe you are asking if a thread dedicated to medical marijuana could be created like there are for Oxycodone, Hydrocodone, etc? exactly. imho, the pharmaceutical potential of THC is too important to be ignored, as it has been for far too long due to social taboos and copious distribution of misinformation. here on db, there are so many creative, smart, out-of-the-box thinkers that come to share their thoughts and experiences and ideas on nearly every facet of therapeutic medicines. if discussion of this chemical were to be allowed, potential new insights, debates, even breakthroughs could occur. myths could be dispelled. persons could be educated with accurate information. pain and suffering could be relieved or reduced. of course its up to Admin and the mods and i will respect whatever they decide. i understand they don't want a bunch of hippy kids on here looking for new and improved ways to toke up, and i want to thank them for succeeding in keeping the vast majority of the drug abusers out. if you want to discuss that aspect of pharmacology, goto erowid. i humbly suggest a thread on Prescription Drug Discussion forum for the discussion of the pharmacological aspects and medicinal uses of THC, with any discussion (or even hints) of recreational use strictly forbidden. just like how discussion of recreational use of any substance is forbidden on db. well, i have stated my case and now will shut up and say no more.
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#782540 - 10/10/08 09:37 PM Re: Please, please dont ban me for this! just want to know ... [Re: jennygirl]
Administrator Administrator Administrator GRAND Pooh-Bah Registered: 11/18/01 Posts: 6112 Loc: DrugBuyers.Com	You can talk about it but: Marijuana is not a prescription drug Our site is about prescription drugs Our site is mainly about topics related to buying meds online You can not buy marijuana online form any of the so called medical marijuana dispenmsaries Most threads about marijuana end up with people talking about recreational drug use and our Rules clearly say that recreational drug discussions are not welcome... and that those that admit to recreational drug use will be banned... If you do want to talk about it you have to keep all that in mind... _________________________ >>>Important>>> We need your support to keep this free board going, remain online, and improve the site. Help us help you. Join our VIP program. The membership costs less than $5 per month, pays for itself, and saves you a bundle in discounts, a real WIN-WIN situation: www.drugbuyers.com/join >>> Please do not contact me by PM for lost or forgotten usernames or passwords. You can recover them online or you can contact us via www.drugbuyers.com/help
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#782840 - 10/11/08 01:46 PM Re: Please, please dont ban me for this! just want to know ... [Re: Administrator]
NotBillGates NotBillGates GRAND Pooh-Bah Registered: 01/15/04 Posts: 2873 Loc: 867-5309	I've seen Ketamine discussed freely here and it's not a prescription drug at all in any state and only used as a general anesthetic in a hospital/outpatient surgical setting? Please explain the difference Admin so I may assist those who may need direction. _________________________ “Choosing Obama is a great opportunity for Americans to show the world they can change, be humble and learn from their mistakes." - Nelson Mandela
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#782849 - 10/11/08 01:53 PM Re: Please, please dont ban me for this! just want to know ... [Re: kserah]
NotBillGates NotBillGates GRAND Pooh-Bah Registered: 01/15/04 Posts: 2873 Loc: 867-5309	Originally Posted By: kserah We discuss ketamine and I don't see doctors prescribing it freely, although apparently some get it. . People procure it like marijuana. Ketamine can not be prescribed as it is not dispensed from a pharmacy. It is only used as a general anesthetic for children, persons of poor health, and in veterinary medicine. _________________________ “Choosing Obama is a great opportunity for Americans to show the world they can change, be humble and learn from their mistakes." - Nelson Mandela
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#782880 - 10/11/08 02:40 PM Re: Please, please dont ban me for this! just want to know ... [Re: NotBillGates]
Administrator Administrator Administrator GRAND Pooh-Bah Registered: 11/18/01 Posts: 6112 Loc: DrugBuyers.Com	Why do I have to explain Ketamine if this thread is about marijuana. Marijuana is a plant and it is not a prescription drug. There are some prescription drugs made with marijuana ingredients (Nabilone, Marinol, Sativex) and can be discussed. Sort of like opium which is illegal and not a presctption drug... but the many prescruption drugs based on opium are not illegal... Ketamine is a drug for use in human and veterinary medicine developed by Parke-Davis (today a part of Pfizer) in 1962. Its hydrochloride salt is sold as Ketanest, Ketaset, and Ketalar. To keep things simple we decide to allow discussion of prescription drugs only. Prescription drugs are available at pharmacies... when pharmacies start filling marijuana prescription you can discuss marijuana here... You can not discuss marijuana or ketamine for recreational purposes... and frankly I do not see why any poster here has to ask hy other uses use any prescription drug... All controlled substances have a potential for abuse... that is why the are controlled... so the fact some some people may abuse them or use them wrongly is not a good reason not to discuss a certain prescription drug... _________________________ >>>Important>>> We need your support to keep this free board going, remain online, and improve the site. Help us help you. Join our VIP program. The membership costs less than $5 per month, pays for itself, and saves you a bundle in discounts, a real WIN-WIN situation: www.drugbuyers.com/join >>> Please do not contact me by PM for lost or forgotten usernames or passwords. You can recover them online or you can contact us via www.drugbuyers.com/help
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#782892 - 10/11/08 03:00 PM Re: Please, please dont ban me for this! just want to know ... [Re: Administrator]
tache tache Member Registered: 07/01/07 Posts: 142 Loc: West Coast	Originally Posted By: Administrator You can talk about it but: Marijuana is not a prescription drug Our site is about prescriotion drugs Marijuana is a prescription drug in Canada while other medications discussed here are not even available in Canada, online or otherwise. It seems to me that this is a grey area as this is an international site and the availability of different medications will and does vary between countries. I have to admit that I have not noticed the MJ threads which devolve into discussions of recreational use of this medication but I have certainly seen this happen with some of the other prescription drug topics. I have also noticed that those threads are usually locked pretty quickly. Setting limitations based on what is considered a prescription medication in the US decreases the usefulness for those from other countries. I have had two family members prescribed mj as part of a cocktail of medications prescribed in the treatment of cancer in the past year. I seem to remember once or twice a topic being started on mj but being quickly locked and I don't think they had even really gotten past the first page or two and definitely not into a full scale discussion of recreational use before they were gone. I recognize that most of the members here are from the states and therefore most of the topics discussed are related to treatment in the states, I would expect no less.
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#782895 - 10/11/08 03:12 PM Re: Please, please dont ban me for this! just want to know ... [Re: tache]
Administrator Administrator Administrator GRAND Pooh-Bah Registered: 11/18/01 Posts: 6112 Loc: DrugBuyers.Com	IF, IF, and IF it is really a prescrtion drug in Canada... and you can get marijuans at pharmacies... and you are a Canadian resident... then you can talk about it :-) We are not going to ban anyone for trying to have a good discussion on any medical topic... _________________________ >>>Important>>> We need your support to keep this free board going, remain online, and improve the site. Help us help you. Join our VIP program. The membership costs less than $5 per month, pays for itself, and saves you a bundle in discounts, a real WIN-WIN situation: www.drugbuyers.com/join >>> Please do not contact me by PM for lost or forgotten usernames or passwords. You can recover them online or you can contact us via www.drugbuyers.com/help
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#782907 - 10/11/08 03:30 PM Re: Please, please dont ban me for this! just want to know ... [Re: Administrator]
tache tache Member Registered: 07/01/07 Posts: 142 Loc: West Coast	Thank you and YES, YES, YES you can get a legal prescription from a medical doctor and purchase mj products from the pharmacies here. Where you fill your prescription depends on what exactly your doctor has prescribed for you, some products are special ordered into the pharmacies others are ordered through federally approved and licensed growers who provide the patient directly with leaf product.
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#782909 - 10/11/08 03:32 PM Re: Please, please dont ban me for this! just want to know ... [Re: tache]
Administrator Administrator Administrator GRAND Pooh-Bah Registered: 11/18/01 Posts: 6112 Loc: DrugBuyers.Com	Great... please start a thread somewhere in the Canadian or Alternative Medicine forums with the issue you want to discuss... lets see where it takes us... I do not think it is a prescription drug in Canada... but I have only been in Canada for 10 minutes... _________________________ >>>Important>>> We need your support to keep this free board going, remain online, and improve the site. Help us help you. Join our VIP program. The membership costs less than $5 per month, pays for itself, and saves you a bundle in discounts, a real WIN-WIN situation: www.drugbuyers.com/join >>> Please do not contact me by PM for lost or forgotten usernames or passwords. You can recover them online or you can contact us via www.drugbuyers.com/help
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#782926 - 10/11/08 04:03 PM Re: Please, please dont ban me for this! just want to know ... [Re: Administrator]
tache tache Member Registered: 07/01/07 Posts: 142 Loc: West Coast	Here is the link to the Canadian Federal Health Policy regarding the use of medical MJ. I think I posted this link before however it was unfortunately in a thread that was locked. http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/dhp-mps/marihuana/about-apropos/faq-eng.php#3 This links clearly outlines the medical requirements to get a prescription for this medication and should also provide the information required to prove that in fact it is and has been legal for medical purposes in Canada for some time.
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#782947 - 10/11/08 04:34 PM Re: Please, please dont ban me for this! just want to know ... [Re: NotBillGates]
nephro nephro GRAND Pooh-Bah Registered: 09/04/06 Posts: 8817 Loc: UK, despite the rumours	Ketamine is used for pain relief, taken orally, in some situations where opioids are not suitable: http://www.fifeadtc.scot.nhs.uk/interface/fife_scp/ketamine.pdf It is also used in topical cream preparations, especially in the US. It is on the WHO list of essential medicines, and even when used as a general anaesthetic, has to be prescribed. MJ is not on the list: http://www.who.int/medicines/publications/08_ENGLISH_indexFINAL_EML15.pdf I would consider ketamine to be more appropriate than MJ because it is only California that does some limited prescribing, and this is surrounded by controversy. Nabilone and dronabinol are pharmaceuticals; I would not consider anything a pharmaceutical unless it was produced by a reputable lab, in a precise amount, in a dose-form suitable for administration in any setting.
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#782962 - 10/11/08 05:09 PM Re: Please, please dont ban me for this! just want to know ... [Re: nephro]
tache tache Member Registered: 07/01/07 Posts: 142 Loc: West Coast	This is why it is a grey area when discussing. MJ may only be prescribed in California however it is prescribed across Canada and there is not a lot of controversy. Do we only discuss meds on the WHO list of essential meds or do we discuss meds that may or may not be prescribed in the US but are prescribed in other countries? I was not trying to start an argument about mj or ketamine, the truth is I know little about ketamine. I was initially just pointing out that the comment "prescription drugs" is broader if you take into consideration some drugs may be used in other countries and it just so happened that the first example I could think of was the use of medical marijuana in Canada as a legimate medication for certain conditions.
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#782970 - 10/11/08 05:23 PM Re: Please, please dont ban me for this! just want to know ... [Re: tache]
Administrator Administrator Administrator GRAND Pooh-Bah Registered: 11/18/01 Posts: 6112 Loc: DrugBuyers.Com	One thing is to prescribe and another is a prescription drug... doctors can prescribe rest or exercise and marijuana if they wixh... but they are not prescription drugs _________________________ >>>Important>>> We need your support to keep this free board going, remain online, and improve the site. Help us help you. Join our VIP program. The membership costs less than $5 per month, pays for itself, and saves you a bundle in discounts, a real WIN-WIN situation: www.drugbuyers.com/join >>> Please do not contact me by PM for lost or forgotten usernames or passwords. You can recover them online or you can contact us via www.drugbuyers.com/help
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#783015 - 10/11/08 06:43 PM Re: Please, please dont ban me for this! just want to know ... [Re: tache]
nephro nephro GRAND Pooh-Bah Registered: 09/04/06 Posts: 8817 Loc: UK, despite the rumours	Perhaps the WHO list is a start, but it has to extend beyond the WHO list because it was originally aimed at guiding poorer countries as to what 'essential medicines' they should make available at all times. Like the Admin said before, MJ is the equivalent of raw opium. Useful medicines can be derived from it, but as a raw ingredient it is not a pharmaceutical, unlike the alkaloids which have been made into pharmaceuticals. It is unbelievably stupid that more pharmaceuticals from the raw ingredient have not been made, probably influenced by money. But as far as I know, internationally, it is not a prescription medicine, apart from in one state of one country. If we were to count this as reason to classify it as a prescription drug, we would have to look all over the world at what some doctors prescribe, and in some cases this would lead to clearly unacceptable stuff. For example, some doctor in BwangoBwango prescribes mescaline to his patients. Rather extreme, but some remedies that are unacceptable in Western medicine are being used in other parts of the world. Elephant tusk, shark fin, ibogaine, and many psychedelic plants are used elsewhere as medicines.
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#783047 - 10/11/08 07:40 PM Re: Please, please dont ban me for this! just want to know ... [Re: nephro]
tache tache Member Registered: 07/01/07 Posts: 142 Loc: West Coast	It is one state in one country (California in the US), however it has been endorsed by Health Canada for medicinal use. I understand that mj does not meet the definition of a prescription drug however the fact that at least one country (Canada) has endorsed the legal use of it for particular conditions and situations and that it can be prescribed by a doctor under those strict regulations I think falls into the realm of a looser term for prescription medication. I may have a somewhat biased view of the decision since I am in Canada but we are not completely backwards in our health care system and I am certain the decision was made based on scientific research. It is interesting if you read the regulations that they are very specific and recognize that research into the benefits must be ongoing. In my mind it is the same as the decision in the UK to remove drugs currently available in the US or Canada or vice versa. I am not saying that it should be used medicinally elsewhere, I think that has to be evaluated by the medical community in each country. I was just pointing out that here the use under certain conditions is legal and that in the past year I have been involved in two cases where the use of this drug was of huge benefit where the typically prescribed medications were almost useless. This does not make me an expert in the positive versus negative effects of this treatment. But I have to have some faith that the medical system which decides which drugs to allow in Canada made this decision based on something other than anecdotal research. Maybe that is hoping for to much LOL but if that is the case I guess I should be questioning the approval given for many different medications.
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#783113 - 10/11/08 10:25 PM Re: Please, please dont ban me for this! just want to know ... [Re: tache]
PrivateRealm PrivateRealm GRAND Pooh-Bah Registered: 03/18/03 Posts: 3067 Loc: In my realm, I'm QUEEN	Well, it's (kind of) along the same lines as Kratom, in my eyes, and that has forums specifically focusing on it. However, I have no use or intrest in medical, or recreational use of MJ for that matter, I can see the potential for medicinal purposes if they ever become widely recognized. _________________________ Anne~~~ "A person's true identity is rarely apparent in the life that they lead."
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#783162 - 10/12/08 01:03 AM Re: Please, please dont ban me for this! just want to know ... [Re: tache]
nephro nephro GRAND Pooh-Bah Registered: 09/04/06 Posts: 8817 Loc: UK, despite the rumours	I wasn't disrespecting Canada's medical status. I just fail to understand why any country who used the drug for medicine doesn't actually go back in history and use the tinctures they made ages ago. It appeared in formularies and still probably does. The UK tends to throw drugs out when they are not cost-effective, due to the NHS, or when current scientific evidence of their benefits is lacking. But of course as research changes, drugs can be, and have been, brought back. Now this most would consider a medicine, and dates back to pre-1937. Why don't they use this? More people would accept it. Attachments Description:
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#783247 - 10/12/08 09:28 AM Re: Please, please dont ban me for this! just want to know ... [Re: nephro]
tache tache Member Registered: 07/01/07 Posts: 142 Loc: West Coast	After I wrote the last post I did wonder if part of the reason certain medications were dropped in the UK was due to cost issues. In Canada our universal health care does not generally cover prescription costs so I don't think that plays as much of a role in the decision making as other factors. As I have stated pharmacology is not my strong suit and I didn't have a clue that mj tinctures were used in the early 1900's. It seems to me that sometimes we are hesitant to go back in time but would rather try to re-invent the wheel so to speak so we feel as if we have actually made an advance. One of my family who was terminally ill was prescribed a sub-lingual spray called "Satiiva" (sp?) which was some sort of mj derivative and the effectiveness as an anti-emetic was profound and almost instantaneous. It certainly made the last few weeks of his life a little more comfortable. As part of my post-secondary education I took some courses in Ethno-botany. They were very interesting and showed that many cultures had the right idea when using certain plants although the form was much cruder. I think I have heard some say that the number of potential medicinally useful chemicals that could come out of research on the plants in the Amazon rainforest is staggering.
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#783311 - 10/12/08 12:25 PM Re: Please, please dont ban me for this! just want to know ... [Re: tache]
NotBillGates NotBillGates GRAND Pooh-Bah Registered: 01/15/04 Posts: 2873 Loc: 867-5309	Originally Posted By: tache . . .This is why it is a grey area when discussing. MJ may only be prescribed in California. . . Actually, Medical MJ is prescibed/used in the following states: Alaska California Colorado Hawaii Maine Maryland Montana Nevada New Mexico Oregon Rhode Island Washington Vermont California only stands out because of their effusive dispensary methods. Ketamine is only prescribed as an ointment containing up to 5% and is a compound med and not found at chain or Mom and Pop Pharmacies. Ketamine has only been tested in patients with intractable and severe refractory complex regional pain syndrome. It has not been approved by the FDA as of this date. The other only way to obtain Ketamine is in a clinical setting. However, calling a 5% Ketamine ointment a prescription drug versus the number of states allowing medical marijuana is most probable, apples and oranges. _________________________ “Choosing Obama is a great opportunity for Americans to show the world they can change, be humble and learn from their mistakes." - Nelson Mandela
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#783327 - 10/12/08 01:05 PM Re: Please, please dont ban me for this! just want to know ... [Re: Administrator]
NotBillGates NotBillGates GRAND Pooh-Bah Registered: 01/15/04 Posts: 2873 Loc: 867-5309	Originally Posted By: Administrator Sort of like opium which is illegal and not a presctption drug... but the many prescruption drugs based on opium are not illegal... Opium is not illegal. Comes in pharmacies as Laudanum and is a precription drug. Whereas, Ketamine can only be prescibed as an ointment and not to be ingested. Attachments Description: Laudanum Description: zoom Edited by Administrator (10/12/08 05:30 PM) Edit Reason: added zoom of image _________________________ “Choosing Obama is a great opportunity for Americans to show the world they can change, be humble and learn from their mistakes." - Nelson Mandela
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#783336 - 10/12/08 01:21 PM Re: Please, please dont ban me for this! just want to know ... [Re: NotBillGates]
nephro nephro GRAND Pooh-Bah Registered: 09/04/06 Posts: 8817 Loc: UK, despite the rumours	This is another drug that's been around since the year dot. Laudanum is a perfectly acceptable prescription drug, as it is a medical representation of opium, with the strength on the label, whereas a ground-up papaver somniferum plant and an opium pipe would not be. And, as the poster above mentioned, sublingual sprays and such can be developed from this. Over the years it got refined into injections and tablets; in the development of MJ (or lack of) there seems to have been a huge oversight in ignoring the liquid, proceeding straight to isolated alkaloids in expensive pill form. The UK still has camphorated opium tincture available OTC, though it's quite dilute.
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#783383 - 10/12/08 03:24 PM Re: Please, please dont ban me for this! just want to know ... [Re: NotBillGates]
tache tache Member Registered: 07/01/07 Posts: 142 Loc: West Coast	My apologies for the error NBG. I had heard about Oregon but also read that maybe doctors were concerned because of the state vs federal laws regarding usage so it was not as commonly used there. Does the same hold true for the other states you listed? Has there ever been a case where a doctor or individual has been federally charged even though they were legally prescribed in the state they live in?
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#783418 - 10/12/08 04:46 PM Re: Please, please dont ban me for this! just want to know ... [Re: tache]
NotBillGates NotBillGates GRAND Pooh-Bah Registered: 01/15/04 Posts: 2873 Loc: 867-5309	tache, Without any resources to reference (as I am limited in time and certainly you can Google these), it's basically the availability of Medical Marijuana in these states other than California. In all the other states mentioned, Medical Marijuana is not dispensed. Rather it's the legality to possess and cultivate. If I were to average it out; it would be tantamount to the legal possession of an ounce or six plants. But legal documentation must be obtained and carried at all times signed by a physician and the State Regulatory Board. California is the only state with dispensaries. I have never read of any Physician being challenged by The Federal Government. We only hear of the DEA raids in California because of their lax laws in dispensing. _________________________ “Choosing Obama is a great opportunity for Americans to show the world they can change, be humble and learn from their mistakes." - Nelson Mandela
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#783423 - 10/12/08 04:53 PM Re: Please, please dont ban me for this! just want to know ... [Re: NotBillGates]
tache tache Member Registered: 07/01/07 Posts: 142 Loc: West Coast	Thanks NBG, I was just curious.
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#783459 - 10/12/08 05:56 PM Re: Please, please dont ban me for this! just want to know ... [Re: NotBillGates]
genethebean1 genethebean1 GRAND Pooh-Bah Registered: 01/08/07 Posts: 2785 Loc: Winter Wonderland	Originally Posted By: NotBillGates Opium is not illegal. Comes in pharmacies as Laudanum and is a precription drug. Whereas, Ketamine can only be prescibed as an ointment and not to be ingested. When I had surgery I was RX'd a med that was a combination of Belladonna and Opium. I can't remember the name.... _________________________ CHANGE IS COMING IN 14 DAYS! YIPPEE!!
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#783470 - 10/12/08 06:10 PM Re: Please, please dont ban me for this! just want to know ... [Re: genethebean1]
nephro nephro GRAND Pooh-Bah Registered: 09/04/06 Posts: 8817 Loc: UK, despite the rumours	That's a fairly traditional med, and a few similar combinations are available in the UK. But the crucial point is what the Admin pointed out in the zoom shot: "10mg/mL of anhydrous morphine". This distinguishes it as a pharmaceutical, which can be accurately dosed. Opazimes is one brand name or tablets containing these ingredients. Enterosan is another. Edited by nephro (10/12/08 06:16 PM)
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#783472 - 10/12/08 06:11 PM Re: Please, please dont ban me for this! just want to know ... [Re: genethebean1]
NotBillGates NotBillGates GRAND Pooh-Bah Registered: 01/15/04 Posts: 2873 Loc: 867-5309	Originally Posted By: genethebean1 When I had surgery I was RX'd a med that was a combination of Belladonna and Opium. I can't remember the name.... This combination is used for relief of moderate to severe pain in certain illnesses, including kidney related conditions (ureteral spasm). _________________________ “Choosing Obama is a great opportunity for Americans to show the world they can change, be humble and learn from their mistakes." - Nelson Mandela
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